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arab
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Libby Frost
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 Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 6:26:42 PM
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| i would say at a quick glance, yes.very nice too. |
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Lindsay
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Scotland
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 6:34:01 PM
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USing his great grandparents as a guide I was say at a first glance no!
Ludo - 100%
Oddette - if not 100% then pretty close
Indian King - 100%
Krakow Yanka - no as lines to Algol who was not crabbet
Mikeno - again no as lines to Algol
Rudena - again if not 100% then almost
Risslan - 100%
Fabiola - no as mikeno is in there
A 100% Old Englsih pedigree I think but not 100% Crabbet as above - hope this helps x |
   
Paidir dóibhsean le fiántas ina gcroíthe acu, atá coinnithe i gcaighin |
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arab
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 6:49:44 PM
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thanks for that lyndsay.
i thought the crabbet originated from the old english?
what seperates them? |
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arab
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 6:52:28 PM
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sorry another question........ what string is agol?
thanks |
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Lindsay
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Scotland
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 8:15:27 PM
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Straight Crabbet Arabians - 100% from bloodlines owned or bred by the Crabbet Stud
GSB Arabians - 100% bloodlines imported to UK by 1920 (registered in the General Stud Book), usually over 95% Crabbet.
Old English Arabians - 100% pre-World War II UK bloodlines, usually over 85% Crabbet.
Predominantly Crabbet Arabians - some non-Crabbet, GSB or Old English bloodlines but over 75% Crabbet breeding.
Anglo and Part Bred Arabians with Arabian blood from above groups
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The importance of Algol
There is no decent pictorial record of Algol's non-Crabbet grandsire, Dwarka. Photos of Algol's sire Aldebaran suggest a short but straight head, good shoulders, a short back and deep body with a long if somewhat sloping hind quarter. Algol has been enormously important. The compact deep body of his sire is still discernible but Algol was a much prettier horse with a longer, lighter neck, a more level croup and greater elegance overall. Arabians descended from Algol often inherit pretty heads and spectacular movement. Lady Wentworth believed the movement was owed to Berk and Berk's grandsire Ahmar. This is quite possible and the mares Algol was bred to frequently reinforced the line.
Mares of Algol breeding ultimately produced Hanstead's stallion Mikeno and the important mare Farette. Algol contributed to many Old English lines and is also a noticeable common denominator in the background of endurance and performance Arabians today. This is also one of the most significant lines Lady Wentworth added into Crabbet with her purchase of the stallion Dargee.
Dargee's dam, Myola, and his paternal grandam, Aatika, were both daughters of Algol while Myola's dam, Rythma, was by the Crabbet stallion Berk and was a full sister to the great Crabbet broodmare Rissla. It was the Berk movement that drew Lady Wentworth to Dargee and certainly much about the stallion is reminiscent in type to some of the earlier Crabbet descendants of Berk's grandsire Ahmar. The body type shows the influence of Dwarka's son Aldebaran, however, and this has remained quite distinctive in the progeny and descendants of Dargee and several of his near relations.
all taken from the crabbet organisation website |
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ashabarab
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 8:23:39 PM
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Crabbet horses are horses owned, bred or purchased by Lady Ann and Wilfred Blunt, her daughter Judith [Wentworth] or her daughter Lady Ann Lytton...they lived at Crabbet park [originally] which was inherited by Cecil Covey
old english horses were imported by others, but by definition become crabbet if purchased by one of the above
originaly horses were added to the general stud book [GSB] and the early imports were all added to this...later on the arab horse society started in own stud book...and the GSB became Weatherby's
so horses can be old english...even GSB, but are not always Crabbet
as stated above allthough your horse has a lot of crabbet blood he is not 100%...but with the exception of 'takritiyah' who l am not familar with....his pedigree consists of old english horses
l am sure some one here will know
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carole ferguson
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Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 12:38:00 PM
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| I have an old picture of Dwarka in my Dartmoor Pony book - as he is in the pedigree of the stallion Jude - who got registered as a Dartmoor just after the war (I think) I will try to get my son to scan and upload the picture. |
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carole ferguson
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Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 12:41:37 PM
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Hold that - there is a picture on Allbreeds if you go onto Jude - pony - by Dinarth Spark (welsh) out of Juliet - back to The Leat - who was by Dwarka - the picture is on there.
And Jude was a registered Dartmoor ????? |
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phoenixbruka
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Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 6:20:12 PM
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Can anyone work out the % of my boy please ?? 
Elite x Princess Di-Roma
Thanks ! 
This is my boy CAS PHOENIXBRUKA
Hes 16 now and still fantastic! ( excuse my legs he was about to throw a cheeky buck ) |
   
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Edited by - phoenixbruka on 09 Sep 2008 7:44:02 PM |
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pat ww
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Moira
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Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 10:17:30 AM
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Hi Phoenixbruka,
I make your lovely boy about 64.72%. |
  
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phoenixbruka
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England
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Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 3:13:02 PM
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Thanks Moira !!
That a bit if a shame though, I fancied taking him in some crabbet classes  never mind, Boysie will have to do those as well |
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Edited by - phoenixbruka on 12 Sep 2008 3:14:35 PM |
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Anfi
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Denmark
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Posted - 16 Sep 2008 : 01:15:05 AM
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This is Dwarka - the pic is from Peter Uptons book The Arab Horse
and a head shot
and his son Aldebaran:
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