Hi I have tried posting this before in the bloodlines section. I have had Mirshid for 6 years and bought him from sudbury in suffolk - his breeders were Mr and Mrs Gilbey of Nowak Arabian Stud in Hatfield Peverel Essex. He is by a stallion called shah n shah al Nowak out of Polly Project. I would love to know whether his mum and dad are still around.. I have put his details on allbreedspedigree and he appears to have siblings. Any information on his bloodlines (which I believe in my ignorance!! to be Polish and Eygptian.
Aah, this horse is Predominantly Crabbet with a 1/4 Babson Egyptian sire (grandson of The Shah) out of a 1/2 Polish dam (daughter of Grojec) but the rest is classic Crabbet/Old English bloodlines with rare elements from the Courthouse and Hough breeding programmes. The "Al Novak" in the name refers to the tail female line and goes back to Kesia Or.Ar. who holds the distinction of being the oldest tail female line in UK Arabian breeding!
Love to know if you locate any others from the Gilbey's breeding programme - fascinating little project but unfortunately many of the younger stock were sold abroad and I do not know if they are still going themselves.
Thanks so much for that I am fascinated and I'm afraid I don't know much about breeding - what does tail breeding line mean?! - Apologies for my ignorance! We were told when we bought Mirshid that the Gilbeys and all their remaining arabs had gone to Saudi Arabia to write a book? We had the choice of Mirshid or his cousin Sabek al Nowak- I'd love to know where he went- he was about 15hh and grey and the same age as Mirshid- 12 Will keep you posted if I find out anything more
Love to know if you manage to find out where the other stallion went too Claire - I always thought those pedigrees looked fascinating. It would be a real shame if those lines were not breeding on at all in the UK.
Tail female line is the dam's dam's dam .... etc right back as far as you can go to the earlist recorded female ancestor on that line - ideally to a well documented bedouin bred original Arabian mare. The bedouins themselves tracked their horses by labelling them according to the dam - this is how the strain system worked. Strains today are the strain of the earliest tail female ancestor in the pedigree. Detailed strain information is a good indicator of authentic desert breeding too.
The Gilbey's breeding collected together a remarkable array of rare lines and traits not just the Kesia tail female line (Kehailan al Novak is the strain name), but also the rare grey gene direct from the Blunts' bedouin mare Sherifa Or.Ar. via their Iridos daughter Yirene which they later reinforced with the beautiful Iridos great-grandson Sabek. They also had some unusual Courthouse and Hough bloodlines in their programme. Fascinating little group of horses.
Oh I wonder what happened to Sabek as I imagine sabek al nowak must have been his son? but perhaps he too went to Saudi.. Many Thanks for the tail line explanation I will have a look on all breeds pedigree and see for myself!
I'm sure the Gilbey's kept some of their horses at Paslow Hall Arabians when Sue Hancock was running the yard about 10 years ago. Jean and Dave Peck were in America at the time. They had a bay and a grey stallion there who were being looked after by their son while Mr and Mrs Gilbey were abroad, they were being trained for endurance and I believe there was interest in at least one of them from France. I think the Gilbeys returned to England soon after and may well still be here.
Thanks very much for that- I believe Mirshid's father Shah-n-Shah al Nowak to be quite a dark bay- it would be interesting to talk to them just to hear what Mirshid was like when he was a baby and perhaps to see pics of his sire and dam. Whereabouts is Paslow Hall as it sounds v. familiar?
Have just remembered that when I took Mirshid to the Norfolk and Suffolk AHS show probably 4 yrs ago a lady there told me that she had had Mirshid and/or his sire at her or a yard that she was working at in Ardleigh in Essex- I'm not sure whether this is one and the same?
Paslow Hall Stud was at High Ongar in Essex and was owned by Dave and Jean Peck, although at thst time was being run by Sue when the Pecks were in USA. I am told the Gilbeys live in Saudi - but they were apparently at Towerlands at the weekend.
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 3:01:48 PM
