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Barabia
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 Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 4:41:56 PM
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Hi Donna, I've worked out that Estar is (roughly) 45% Egyptian, 20% Polish, 20% English and 15% Spanish. I did round up- or down decimals to make it easier to read (and remember) for you. I hope I'm not so far from the truth!
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Stevie
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Spain
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Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 5:17:21 PM
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Hi
I think you will find the allbreed's pedigee is wronge
Scheherazade....is not a TB...but
breed by Bjoerkmann 1968...
by Exelsjor...PASB VIII 36...1963 breed at Janow
out of Lalaga...SA 78/68 1963 breed by P.Lindsay
both definitely ARABIAN.
That is half the Polish bit!!!!!!
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herts_babeuk
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England
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Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 8:42:53 PM
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i want a show quality foal so i can try to in hand show it. i also adore riding arabs and show jumping so the foal would be used for that aswell. If the foal was a colt, then eventually i would use him for my stud which I am going to be set up in a few years time.
I have been looking at Yavit and Psy Dream from Armada Arabians for her next year |
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Stevie
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Spain
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Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 10:06:52 PM
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Both are very nice boys.
You need to go for hight on Estara,lenght of leg,not a heavy body
happy stallion hunting
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Barabia
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Sweden
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Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 10:16:11 PM
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Hi Stevie, your right.. I've corrected the pedigree at allbreed. I just want to tell you and everyone else that I always work with a printed pedigree from AHR Database in US! Sometimes I check at Allbreed, mostly for correcting.. arrgh! 
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Stevie
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Spain
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Posted - 07 Sep 2007 : 09:14:32 AM
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Hi Bia,
Yes its OK if you know your own family of horses,
but you must be carefull when doing reserch!
With Estara,it must have been put on allbreeds by someone not really knowing
her pedigree??
But keep up the good work
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herts_babeuk
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England
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Posted - 07 Sep 2007 : 12:28:14 PM
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Barabia
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Sweden
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Posted - 07 Sep 2007 : 3:37:10 PM
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Thank you Stevie!
I forgot to say that I also have a few books that can help me:
The Arab Horse Families Of Great Britain 1875-1973, Dr P.J Gazder
The Arabian Horse Families Of Poland 1790-1987, B. Fahlgren
Lady Anne Blunt (J&C) 1878-1917, R. Archer and J. Fleming
The Crabbet Arabian Stud, Its History & Influence (new and revised ed.)
The Classic Arabian Horse, Judith Forbis
All Swedish Studbooks, all Blommeröd Stud's breeding-books
Two old AHR studbooks (vol. V & VIII)
I would like to find some for the Egyptian, Spanish, Russian, French.. etc, but have not search for them yet.
Allbreed pedigree is a big mess, I never trust it without doublecheck. Even the AHR Database has some faults 'here and there'!!
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Stevie
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Spain
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Posted - 07 Sep 2007 : 6:55:59 PM
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Go for it,he is a lovely horse,Only seen him over a stable door, so do'nt know how tall he isHis pedigree is excellentI know his breeder well.
I think this may be his frist year at stud.....next year you will be able to see his foals......
Go see him.......
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Stevie
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Spain
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Posted - 07 Sep 2007 : 7:21:53 PM
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Hi Bia
Books are great,I have loadsI shiped them all the way to Spain,now there on there way back.Egyptain is my "thing"I have all Judth's, books plus many...many others
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donna72_uk
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Posted - 10 Sep 2007 : 7:18:31 PM
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Sorry Bia been busy for the last few days.Thanks for working it all out for meIt must be quite hard work doing all the research.
Thanks Stevie as well
Also rest assured Estar is with me for life
He is such a good boy we done that 20 mile Newmarket ride yesterday and he loved it and still had loads of energy left at the end of it |
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herts_babeuk
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England
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Posted - 10 Sep 2007 : 9:15:07 PM
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| stevie - did you ever get estara broken in? how come you decided to put her in foal as a 6 yr old? at what age did you sell her and why? |
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Barabia
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Sweden
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Posted - 10 Sep 2007 : 9:26:09 PM
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My pleasure Donna!
I wish you many, many more happy 'miles' together!!
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Stevie
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 6:06:23 PM
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I don't understand wot you mean??"" why put her in foal as a 6year old""??She was born 93 so was actually 5 when coverd.Do you mean why did i not cover her at 3 year??
I was told once by a very good rider.joking, that he would'nt want to ride her,and being's I only hack out ,and was riding her half sister,I don't bother.
She came with me to Spain, Estar was a foal at foot, did'nt like it so I sent her back,to stay with Andrea.We sold her later to a home that would ""keep her for life"".
Hi Donna,yes I know you love Estar...and I can't wait to see him.
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herts_babeuk
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Stevie
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Posted - 13 Sep 2007 : 08:06:28 AM
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| If I did'nt!!maybe you should be asking Charlotte? |
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herts_babeuk
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England
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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 3:05:23 PM
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Just thought I'd let you know that I have decided to put Estara to Tobago next year via AI.
Were you serious Stevie about eventually taking her back? |
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katefox1812
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Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 3:37:20 PM
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Hello - I've only just seen this thread - but as Tobago's proud owner I just wanted to say that I am delighted to have Estara booked to him for next year!
Her pedigree is fabulous, and should be a perfect match for Tobago's. I've been told, by far more expert breeders, that he will cross particularly well with these lines, so I hope Lauren will get her super show/performance/stud-foundation horse from this match!
Thanks for the recommendation, Stevie! Tobago is indeed the leggy, refined type that you suggested Lauren should go for, and quite tall, about 15.2 - and as you say, a lovely horse, with an excellent pedigree!
I would normally agree with you that 'one gets what one pays for' with stallions, but I am not in this for money, and I feel very strongly that champion stallions should be available at prices smaller breeders can afford. So although Tobago is not cheap, I do give concessions for special mares, and for kind, dedicated owners, who will give his foals good, loving homes.
You must be pleased that Estara has ended up with such a nice owner - it must be so distressing to find that a horse one has bred is being shunted about from pillar to post. And I can assure you that she will get the best of care at Cliveden Stud when she visits Tobago there next year. Is there anything we should know about her quirks or likes and dislikes, to make sure she is happy and comfortable there?
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cassy
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Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 4:16:25 PM
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| many congrats is this the mare re show thread? TOBAGO is a stunner good luck for a stunning foal |
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herts_babeuk
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England
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Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 8:32:28 PM
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As I was only given Estara in August and she has been living out, i havent really had the chance to find out what she likes and dislikes, apart from treats and grass that is!
Hopefully I will find out more about her ways before she visits Cliveden so I will let you know! |
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katefox1812
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Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 11:40:47 AM
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Sorry Lauren  - I didn't make it clear that question was for Stevie! I know you haven't had this lovely girl very long, so I was hoping maybe her former owner could tell us a bit more - particularly about any quirks with her seasons/cycles, etc. - or just any details about her character/habits that might be helpful?
Thanks for the pics of Estar and Anjelica - both absolutely gorgeous; Estar is a really handsome boy, and Angelica has such a pretty head! |
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natntaz
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England
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Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 2:10:20 PM
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| Hi Lauren, I have a pure bred mare in foal to Tobago, She is due end of April so as long as all goes well you are more than welcome to come and see the foal as i am stabled in Old Harlow so not far from Herts |
   
Natalie Pix. Essex. Tariq ibn Radfan and Taroub |
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herts_babeuk
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Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 5:27:11 PM
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| hi natntaz - thanks for your email and the offer - i would definately like to see your foal when it is born! |
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natntaz
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Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 8:26:57 PM
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| Lauren, you are very welcome. I will let you know when its born. |
Natalie Pix. Essex. Tariq ibn Radfan and Taroub |
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katefox1812
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Posted - 24 Sep 2007 : 2:11:39 PM
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Lauren - sorry I haven't been able to reply to your latest email - my home phone (landline) is down so no internet atm - I'm in the office using another computer today.
Should be back online at home by Wednesday - assuming I can get my mouse working again (that's packed up too - it's gonna be one of those weeks, I think)in time to receive more piccies!
Lovely offer from nat - I'm looking forward to visiting her 'Tobagoling' as well! There should be about 19/20 foals by Tobago on the ground next year - as well as nat's I would particularly recommend that you go and see Red House Arabians' foal out of RH Karismma (WSA Charismma x RH Karina by Ibn Estasha) who is of similar breeding to your girl.
Also (as you are hoping for a show-baby) you might want to check out his foals out of the well-known showgirls Shangrila (Kais x Shambala), Fantastika (Kubinec x G Fantastica) and G Forgetmenot (Top x For the Moment). And if you fancy a trip to Belgium, the Tobago-babies from DA Fiestaa (Echo Magnificoo x Cheyanne), MB Fantasiaa (Krimson Fame VF x DA Fiestaa) and MB Naomi (Padrons Kadar x Eevangeline DS)should also be very nice - I hope!
I will be visiting them all shortly after they are born, and you would of course be very welcome to come with me! By happy coincidence my mother lives in Belgium, so we would have a place to stay if you'd like to come with me to visit the Euro-babies...
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