| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
Judith S
Platinum Member
 Wales
15686 Posts |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
 Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 8:37:43 PM
|
Hi Judith, I've filled in some missing parts in her pedigree (d.o.b, colors, breeders etc.) for a starter! I saw that her sire is recorded in The Pyramid Society Group as Egyptian Bred (not straight) but he is considered to be a Russian. I'll dig out some more about the dam's side later!
Bia |
 |
Report to Moderator  |
|
|
Judith S
Platinum Member
Wales
15686 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 2:41:17 PM
|
Thanks Bia I was told her dam was imported from the US? Tessa is a funny little mare - bay quite ordinary to look at but she moves beautifully |
    |
Edited by - Judith S on 07 Aug 2007 2:44:30 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Diane Latham
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
151 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 8:40:53 PM
|
Hi Judith
I do not know anything about your mare's dam line other than Bask was exported from Poland to the States.
Charmer was born in Belgium and imported by Joan Ratcliff along with his half brother by Numizmat, Cordon. Cordon won a couple of races on all weather tracks. He was a big horse standing about 16 hh. I am not sure what became of him but I believe he went to Devon/Cornwall to Nuala Stevens. I bred a part bred by Cordon and sadly have lost track of him as well. Charmer I don't think ever raced although he did start race training with Lesley Hartley but caught a virus which left him with a heart weakness and he couldn't be ridden again. There is a Charmer who did race (I think Chestnut) Registered with AHS not to be confused with your mare's sire Charmer BASB.
Charmer is to all intents and purposes Russian bred. His pedigree contains some crabbet blood and his sire and dam was of course the straight Egyptian Aswan given as a gift to Russia, who carried strong early Crabbet bloodlines due to the Crabbet exports to Egypt. State Studs get to add additional lines and still call the horses Russian, Polish etc.
Charmer died about 4 years ago. He was about 15.2 hh and a very kind good looking horse.
We have a 71% Crabbet mare by Charmer who we would very much like to put to your Stallion, but I have too many horses kicking around at the moment and I would breed to keep, not sell!
Di
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Judith S
Platinum Member
Wales
15686 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 9:00:22 PM
|
Hi Di
thank you so much - BRILL info!! So you have a 1/2 sister to Tessa then? We've covered Tessa again with Rameed & are keeping everything crossed - she hasn't been back in season since....so will blood test her in a couple of weeks - won't scan her again as did it last year & she returned soon after being scanned infoal - the process upset her greatly - shes had many foals - several by Rameed & I don't think she had ever been scanned before! Would just love then to produce another Rowan Have also covered Polly our QH - so keeping all crossed there as well! Rameed is looking fantastic & it is hard to believe that hes now 19! Lets hope hes still raring to go next season!
I must take some decent photos of Tessa - she is very sweet - a lovely kind natured mare - she moves amazingly well - so does Rowan I really should take a photo of them together as they are like two peas in a pod -almost identical - except Rowan is about 15.1hh & Tessa is about 14.1hh!! they also have the same mannerisms etc!! Rowan is the only offspring that Rameed has produced that doesn't look just like him - chestnut with lots of white! Rowan is plain bay just like his mum |
|
Edited by - Judith S on 07 Aug 2007 9:05:34 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Diane Latham
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
151 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 11:10:20 PM
|
Hi Judith,
Been a long day! I meant to say we had a mare out of a mare by Charmer - oops. Sorry to get you all excited for nothing! Our mare (chestnut)is by Dorian and her mum was by Charmer out of Glass Slipper. Sadly no more, but she was a beautiful mare with a wonderful temperament.
I hope you do get another Rowan. He might be just one in a million, but you never know. At least you have got the same blood and have half a chance of reproducing more of the same!!
We also put our part bred Arab(mostly Thoroughbred in fact - 12.5% Arab)to Charmer and produced a 16hh show jumper!! Very laid back chap. I know at least two by Charmer who are destined to eventually come out to do some endurance.
Good luck with the breeding!
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 02:14:50 AM
|
| Charmer was at stud at Claverdon in 1987/1988, I though he might have been on the beefeater scheme. Won at the AHS Ascot show that same year and also stood in 1989. Clare Hutchingson's Hooch(Moonshiner) is by Charmer, he was born the year all the foals got names of drinks and has done his fair share of Endurance, you might remember seeing him at Ludlow a few years back, a tall 15.3h grey. I have loads of pic of Hooch & found just the one of Charmer, which I'll post for you.Diktator (Charmer/Dik Dik) was living in Warwickshire and doing endurance,have pic. Also, in AHS No.79, is the article about Rafaat (Aswan), which might interest you.Claverdon bred & sold several of Charmers children there must be some about although there are few listed on allbreeds and Charmer is dead now.DR Bask rings bells for me,I think he features in the US Arabian World Mags. and of course Bask is in the pedigree of the Jabask horses. hope that helps a bit.. |
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 09 Aug 2007 10:47:57 AM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Diane Latham
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
151 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 07:37:22 AM
|
Hi
Charmer was bought from Arabica NV in Belgium and imported in 1985 by Joan Ratcliff. He is Registered in the Belgian Stud Book. He was a yearling. He lived at Claverdon Stud until his death. The last of his foals were born in 2001.
He had the following live purebred foals: 4 foals in 1988; 2 in 1989; 6 in 1990; 8 in 1991; 3 in 1994; 6 in 1996; 2 in 1997 and one in each year of 1998, 2000 and 2001.
Hootch (stable name) was bred by a friend of mine, registered as Moonshiner in 1996. He was about as laid back as they come! Haven't seen him for a couple of years. He had a full brother who sadly died.
Now I must get ready to go to work!
Enjoy the sunshine - it looks promising today.
Di
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 12:05:58 PM
|
| Hi Diane I'd be interested to have these foals registered names...if poss..and chasing a good pic of the horse if you can help..Thanks Sue |
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 08 Aug 2007 12:07:36 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Diane Latham
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
151 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 1:18:47 PM
|
Hello Sue
I will let you have a list of Charmer's progeny when I get home and have a few minutes.
I am sure I have a photo/picture of Charmer somewhere! Will have a search. I have no idea how to put on here so may need to scan it and send it to a private email address.
Just as a matter of interest, where is all your research leading?
Di
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Judith S
Platinum Member
Wales
15686 Posts |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 6:15:32 PM
|
Hi Folks, Well Charmers progeny must extend further than those listed on allbreeds at the mo..
I know and like both Diktator & Moonshiner & also Flickering dam of Flittermouze, & Ray from that way, so thought I'd like to see what others are about and what they've done or not. and since it was the Claverdon/Water Fm/Kadri etc that got the Beefeater going, though this one might have been part of that... OK hope that keeps you happy folks...Sue |
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 09 Aug 2007 10:49:24 AM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 11:39:59 PM
|
Hi Judith, just want to say.. I've not forgot Tessa!
Have faith, please!
Bia |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2007 : 4:01:55 PM
|
| Come on Bia, You can do it, can you tell us all those Charmer Children Please...Thanks Sue |
Sue
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2007 : 6:10:07 PM
|
He has 33 gets listed (until 2001), here they are:
Arabian Horse Progeny for CHARMER BASB
43 records found. (10 is double reg. =exported!)
Name Number Foaled Gender Color Dam
GIGANO AHSB*18293 1988 Mare Chestnut GLASS SLIPPER
MALKATA AHSB*19281 1988 Stallion Grey NAPAS
NEMEA ITSB*1277 1988 Mare Chestnut NORANDA
NEMEA AHSB*19354 1988 Mare Chestnut NORANDA
SCIO AHSB*20046 1988 Stallion Chestnut SWEET SERENITY
SEMIRAMER AHSB*20047 1989 Mare Chestnut SEMIRAMIS
SIKORSKY AHSB*20272 1989 Stallion Grey SKY SILHOUETTE
DREAM CHASER AHSB*21459 1990 Stallion Bay BANINA
CHARADA AHSB*21530 1990 Mare Chestnut CIKADA
GARZON AHSB*21673 1990 Stallion Chestnut GLASS SLIPPER
NORILY AHSB*21993 1990 Stallion Chestnut NORMA DELLA ROCCA
SUCHA AHSB*22151 1990 Mare Grey SEMIRAMIS
TOURMALIN AHSB*22281 1990 Stallion Bay TANTA RASB
NORILY ITSB*1061 1990 Stallion Chestnut NORMA DELLA ROCCA
TOURMALIN ITSB*3390 1990 Stallion Bay TANTA RASB
GARZON UAE*1197 10 Jun 1990 Stallion Chestnut GLASS SLIPPER
NOTCHKA ITSB*1066 1991 Mare Grey NORMA DELLA ROCCA
TANAR ITSB*1286 1991 Mare Chestnut TANTA RASB
BANOS AHSB*22419 1991 Stallion Chestnut BANINA
RUMBOLDS CONTESSA AHSB*22424 1991 Mare Chestnut BASK JUANITA
NIMBUS AHSB*22477 1991 Stallion Chestnut CIKADA
FALA AHSB*22906 1991 Mare Grey NAAZEL
NANDI AHSB*22924 1991 Mare Chestnut NAPAS
NOTCHKA AHSB*22944 1991 Mare Grey NORMA DELLA ROCCA
TANAR AHSB*23252 1991 Mare Chestnut TANTA RASB
BANOS SBFAR*15045 1991 Stallion Chestnut BANINA
BRIGHT AND CHARMING AHSB*26179 1994 Mare Grey BRIGHT AND BREEZY
FLICKERING CHARM AHSB*26340 1994 Mare Chestnut FLICKERING
CHARKA AHSB*26710 1994 Mare Chestnut PHAYA
FLICKERING CHARM UAE*2183 19 Apr 1994 Mare Chestnut FLICKERING
BRIGHT AND CHARMING UAE*2184 05 May 1994 Mare Grey BRIGHT AND BREEZY
SKALICA AHSB*28937 1996 Mare Grey SKY SONNET
ROZENN AHSB*28184 1996 Mare Chestnut CIDER WITH ROSIE
DIKTATOR AHSB*28247 1996 Stallion Grey DIK DIK
NEGEV GAI CHARM AHSB*28333 1996 Stallion Grey GAIDOR
MOONSHINER AHSB*28354 1996 Stallion Chestnut GLORIA
SANANDITA AHSB*28850 14 Mar 1996 Mare Chestnut SEMIRAMIS
SANANDITA UAE*6106 14 Mar 1996 Mare Chestnut SEMIRAMIS
CHATILLON AHSB*29170 1997 Mare Chestnut CIDER WITH ROSIE
DEKORUM AHSB*29217 1997 Gelding Chestnut DIK DIK
KHNUMIT AHSB*31440 1998 Mare Chestnut INO
CHARM AHSB*31444 2000 Stallion Grey INO
EARL GREY AHSB*31350 2001 Gelding Grey HAMAMI
Bia
|
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Judith S
Platinum Member
Wales
15686 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2007 : 6:52:49 PM
|
| WOW - BRILL Bia!! But Rumbolds Contessa is bay not chestnut as listed |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2007 : 8:22:33 PM
|
Well, I know that AHA Database has a lot of faults.. but I just copy the info as it shows there!
You can read about the despite between WAHO and AHRA (aka AHA) here:http://www.waho.org/History.html
(Very much to read and interesting!!)
Some info from the site: "The imported mare *Bint Shaams AHRA #69605 was a grey, from two non-grey parents. Her sire El Sareei was bay, and there are many photos to prove it. Her dam Shams was registered as bay as a mature mare, and there are photos of both of her non-grey parents. *Bint Shaams was registered by the AHRA in 1970 for an AHRA board member."
How about that... eh, Grrrr! They (AHA) still haven't changed that mares color!!!
I've corrected 'Tessa's' color at Allbreed!
Bia |
|
Edited by - Barabia on 10 Aug 2007 8:23:58 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Kerry Wilson
Silver Member
United Kingdom
280 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 08:49:14 AM
|
| I remember seeing Bask Juanita at the Rumbolds Stud, we went to see their stallion San Antonio(Aladdinn son they imported from America at the same time)Juanita was a sweet looking small compact dark bay mare, looked like photos of Bask. Don't know what happened to the stud they weren't around long. |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 10:50:54 AM
|
Bia, Your a star, Thank you Very Much.
Bright & Breezy & Flickering are/was Miss Bowditches. |
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 11 Aug 2007 10:52:07 AM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Judith S
Platinum Member
Wales
15686 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 12:35:21 PM
|
I don't supposes anyone can turn up any piccies of her sire/dam? I would be very interested to see what they look like - esp her dam! Her son that I have whos now 9 is the absolute spitting immage of her - even down to his little ways - just like his mum! Whats interesting is that shes had several other foals by Rameed - who all are chestnut, lots of white & just look like dad (as have many other foals out of different mares ! Which is why the breeders didn;t bother to register Rowan as they though he was very plain & wouldn't ammount to much
I will take some photos of Tessa & Rowan! |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Kerry Wilson
Silver Member
United Kingdom
280 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 7:44:25 PM
|
I remember I took a short bit of video of Bask Juanita but not sure if I still have it, it must have been 20yrs ago! I'll dig about in my ancient old tapes and see if I can find it when I get time. Juanita was heavily infoal at the time to a stallion she'd been put to in US before import. I also seem to remember, could be wrong, that Contessa and her half sister R Arousa by Arakan were in one of the Newbury Arab sales. I think Phoenix Arabians had Arousa for a bit, maybe they saw her mother/have photos?
There were pics of Charmer in Claverdon adverts in AHS mags. I'll see if I still have some I took of him as a youngster. here is Numizmat his sire in Belgium
 |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Diane Latham
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
151 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 8:47:57 PM
|
Hi Judith
I have emailed you a photo of Charmer as a young horse. Sorry, I don't know how to post pictures on here!!
Hope it arrives ok.
Di
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Judith S
Platinum Member
Wales
15686 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 10:04:23 PM
|
Oh thanks Kerry Tessa looks nothing at all like her sire - so must be like her dam?? The folk I had her & Rameed of (bit like buy one get one free!) said her dam cost something like £12,000 when she was imported all those years ago..........or were they exageratingLOL
Di - no photo - did you do it on the internal AL email as this doesn't often work?! Try: judith.stirling1@btinternet.com !!! |
|
Edited by - Judith S on 11 Aug 2007 10:10:15 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Judith S
Platinum Member
Wales
15686 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 10:13:07 PM
|
| Di - its just arrived & Tessa looks nothing at all like her sire!!!!! Must be her dams side that comes through srongly in her & Rowan??? |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2007 : 09:32:14 AM
|
Does anyone know what year he was born or have I missed it somewhere.
 Charmer(1984) |
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 14 Aug 2007 12:53:10 AM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Diane Latham
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
151 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2007 : 10:56:44 PM
|
Sue
1984. See my earlier post. He was imported as a yearling in 1985.
Di
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Topic |
|
Topic Locked 