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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 16 Jul 2007 :  1:32:31 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message
Can anyone help me with his full breeding please and any history surrounding these Spanish lines....thanks Sue

Sue

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Barabia
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Posted - 16 Jul 2007 :  3:30:19 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Barabia to your friends list Send Barabia a Private Message
He is not in the database! Give me some more clues please, any progeny?
Bia

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ginger horse
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 :  6:54:18 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ginger horse to your friends list Send ginger horse a Private Message
Only Veracruz on all breeds is a 1934 grey mare but on the info it says Bred by the Duke of Veragua. D:1949 ???


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Lila
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 :  7:25:49 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lila to your friends list Send Lila a Private Message
Veracruz is probably one of the horses who were saved after the big fire in the stables of the duke of veragua. If I remember there was some kind of war and his stables and horses were burnt down, the ones who escaped were recognised by the duke and I think they had a brand on their body to state they were his.But since the papers also got lost in this fire non of the remaining horses were registered anymore. Thats why they are on paper bred by the duke of veragua, because they new they were purebreds and CRABBETS, at least most of them I think.
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 :  9:31:25 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add saddlebred to your friends list Send saddlebred a Private Message
What a sad story. I hope that you are able to track him down.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 18 Jul 2007 :  10:34:40 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message
This looks like a very interesting story, just reading a bit about the Duke of Veragua who died in 1936,Thanks folks for the help so far,will now see what else I can find, will keep at it and report back, if anyone can add anything else please do....maybe a little help from Emma Maxwell if poss and Lila any idea about what year the fire was...thanks..Sue

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MinHe
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Posted - 18 Jul 2007 :  1:52:04 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MinHe to your friends list Send MinHe a Private Message
Originally posted by Rozy Rider

This looks like a very interesting story, just reading a bit about the Duke of Veragua who died in 1936,Thanks folks for the help so far,will now see what else I can find, will keep at it and report back, if anyone can add anything else please do....maybe a little help from Emma Maxwell if poss and Lila any idea about what year the fire was...thanks..Sue


The Veragua stud was destroyed during the Spanish civil war: many horses died and all the documentation lost. However, some mares survived, but without their IDs: it was possible to verify that they had come from the Veragua stud, but not *who* they were (all were grey, I believe). It is known that they were a mix of Spanish breeding plus Skowronek, but beyond this, it is not possible to be more certain: that is why they appear in the studbooks as 'Veragua mares'.

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Emma Maxwell
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Posted - 20 Jul 2007 :  7:54:05 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Emma Maxwell to your friends list Send Emma Maxwell a Private Message
I did an article on Veragua horses in an old AHS news..... may even be ten years ago now.....
Their pedigrees do turn up as unknown, as Keren says the ID's were lost when the Duke's house was burnt down in the Spanish Civil War in 1936. However one groom remained with the mares in the corral and his testimony was taken as proof that the horses who survived (some starved to death, the stallion Razada was shot as target practice) were all purebred. Some mares were successfuly re identified but their foals born during the war were not, but were all renamed with the Vera- prefix.

As mentioned the Duke brought several Skowronek daughters from Crabbet so they are assumed to have a high percentage of this blood.

The Verana branch has been most phenomenal, including Estopa and Navaronne P. Hashemiya, our best producing Spanish mare was also from this line.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 21 Jul 2007 :  12:37:05 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message
Hi Emma, Thanks for the info I find it all very interesting..sad but interesting, I remember the article and will have a hunt to see if I can find it..till then this is the Duke of Veragua, it sounds as if his death coincided with the fire.. Sue

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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 21 Jul 2007 12:39:44 AM
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