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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 :  01:55:38 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message
Anyone have any idea how to work out the Crabbet percentages.and if there is anything on line to help identify the horses included as Crabbet.
and was it any horse that ended up at the Crabbet stud, as aposed to only those bred by Crabbet or at Crabbet. Thanks. after Crabbet % for Istfahan (Aurelian/Istashra) & got it to 75%+, anyone tell me if thats correct or not...Thanks..

Sue
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Barabia
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 :  06:02:44 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Barabia to your friends list Send Barabia a Private Message
Not so much online right now Sue, but some info in the links to start with (see them below).
You would need some books: Lady Anne Blunt 'Journals and correspondence 1878-1917'. The Crabbet Arabian Stud 'its History & Influence'. There are more books, but I don't have them.. 'The Classic Arabian Horse' (I would love that one!!), and some more...!

http://www.crabbet.com/acrabbet/definition_new.html
http://www.crabbet.org.uk/shop.aspx?cat=2 (scroll down)
http://www.crabbet.org.uk/articles.aspx
http://www.sheykhobeyd.org/foundationhorses.html
http://www.ivahri.com/bluntsheykhobeyd.htm
http://www.ivahri.com/ozcrabbetreference.htm
http://www.arieana.com/notebook.html
http://www.wiwfarm.com/crabbetcmk.html
http://www.meranch.com/books/aus-pcts.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/crabbet-arabian-stud
http://www.gu-ku-vi.dk/hjemmeside2/a-crabbet.htm

Good work with Istfahan, I've got it to 86,99% Crabbet and that is defined as 75%+ in the Crabbet Shows (I think)!?

Bia

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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 :  11:59:16 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message
Thanks Very Much for you help Bia, was secretly hoping you'd help me out, a pal of mine has ISTFAHAN now and the first thing she said was how can we find out exactly how much crabett he has, she new it was high. So does it count as 100% if the horse was bred at crabbet, & if they bought them in and they arrived at crabett, does Sh.Obeyd's also count if they went to Blunts in Egypt, and those that came to crabbet in England. and thanks for the links will have a good look now.
With Istfahan does the percentage drop to 75 abeit it's highter, just for the show class, can you explain that for me please, all very interesting I'm getting quite keen now, could do with some monster size pedigree forms to fit all the breeding on back to 1890's....Thanks Very Much Bia....regards Sue

Sue

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Barabia
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 :  8:10:17 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Barabia to your friends list Send Barabia a Private Message
Hi Sue,

The first link (above) tells you the definition of 100% Crabbet. Not all Sh. Obeyd horses was Crabbet, only those who was own & bred by the Blunts! About Istfahan, he IS (roughly) 86,99%+ Crabbet, and it's only in the Show catalog that they will print 75%+. They did so in CC 2002, but text can tell his real %. Does your friend know that she needs a %-certificate (or signed letter) to enter the Crabbet Shows?

ps. did you get my e-mail?

Bia


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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 13 Jun 2007 :  03:12:10 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message
Hi Bia, No, never got your email, I don't think they'll show him, but he's just about to cover mares and we thought we'd try and sort out the Crabbet % on all of them, I'll ask about the letter/Cert for him anyway.Whats Text... Thanks again great help..Sue

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Alexia
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Posted - 13 Jun 2007 :  08:07:53 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Alexia to your friends list Send Alexia a Private Message
Hi All, The Crabbet Organisation stocks a leaflet called Calculating Crabbet Percentages that I wrote which lists all qualifying Crabbet individuals, including those based at the Blunts' home in Egypt and those added by lady Wentworth. It also gives instructions for calculating the percentage itself. Caroline Sussex will send you one for free on receipt of a SAE. Alexia
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Barabia
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Posted - 15 Jun 2007 :  12:32:06 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Barabia to your friends list Send Barabia a Private Message
Sue, sorry for my bad explanation (poor English)! 'Text' is what's written about the horse in the Show catalogue (sp ?).

Alexia, I would love to have the leaflet, but what is "SAE"?

Bia


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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 15 Jun 2007 :  11:54:17 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message
No problem Bia, my Istfahan pal is delighted with the news of his high percentage and thanks you very much.

Alexia,I've already sent off to Caroline Sussex the Crabbet % leaflet, so hope that won't be too long coming. SAE = Stamped Addressed Envelope. Soon as it arrives I'll give you a brief....

Just about to look at the mares Istfahan is covering at the mo and try to work out their percentage Crabbet....all very interesting.... Thanks a lot Sue

Sue

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Barabia
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Posted - 15 Jun 2007 :  3:16:22 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Barabia to your friends list Send Barabia a Private Message
Thank you Sue, and good luck with the % work!

Bia

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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 25 Jun 2007 :  11:58:53 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message
Hi Bia, Found the links very interesting and the history of the crabbet horses...Don't forget I am here in Shropshire if you need to hold your mare up for any time, before she comes home to you.

Sue
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Indalo
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Posted - 26 Jun 2007 :  09:43:54 AM  Show Profile  Click to see Indalo's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add Indalo to your friends list Send Indalo a Private Message
Hi Bia

What %age do you think my mares would be?

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shemona

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/maria+maria+bint+santanna

Thanks

Indalo
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Dot
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Posted - 26 Jun 2007 :  09:58:50 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dot to your friends list Send Dot a Private Message
any reason why the leaflet can not be made available on the web?

Dot
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 26 Jun 2007 :  12:19:18 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message
Dot, Maybe you could ask Caroline Sussex that question, and I will as well when I see her next. I sent off for a schedule & the percentage info, but, nothing come yet...no turn around on those...

Sue
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Athena
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Posted - 26 Jun 2007 :  1:09:45 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message
Originally posted by Dot

any reason why the leaflet can not be made available on the web?


Hi Dot, good idea - saves us posting it out. I created the booklet in a desk top publishing file but I have exported the pages to JPEG format and can send them as attachments to anyone who wants them. Email me at zobeyni.crabbet@virgin.net . Alexia

P.S. I have also converted the Crabbet Show Schedule and Entry Form to JPEG and they should be up on the Crabbet website shortly. In the meantime, I can email JPEG images of Schedule pages and /or entry forms to anyone who wants them. Contact me at email above.

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Barabia
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Posted - 26 Jun 2007 :  8:43:11 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Barabia to your friends list Send Barabia a Private Message
Sue, Thank you very much for your offer.. we'll see!!
Bia
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Originally posted by Indalo

Hi Bia

What %age do you think my mares would be?

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shemona

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/maria+maria+bint+santanna

Thanks


Hi Indalo, such lovely pedigree's your girls have!

Shemona is about 90,47% Crabbet (100% Old English I think!).
Sireline: Skowronek to IBRAHIM OA
Damline: Rose of Sharon to RODANIA OA
Strain: Kuhailah Ajuz (Kehilan Ajuz of Ibn Rodan)

Maria Maria Bint Santanna is about 85,08% Crabbet (94,53% Old E. and 5,47% Polish).
Sireline: Feysul to SUEYD OA
Damline: Nefisa to DAJANIA OA
Strain: Kuhailah Dajanieh (Kehilan Ajuz Dejani)

Bia


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