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Thaxted
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 Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 6:49:13 PM
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This post is a bit of a long shot as I'm trying to find out about an Arab stallion of the 1940-50s.
I have always been told that my grandfather (James McManus) was the first person to import an Arab Stallion into Northern Ireland, he lived in Larne, Co Antrim and was a blacksmith. I recall seeing a photograph of it once - a long time ago. I have very little information about it. I believe that the photo was taken in the 1940-1950s and the horse's name was almost unpronouncible. I have no idea how to spell it but it sounded like 'corobid'/'corodub' or similar. Can anyone give me any info about it?
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Edited by - Thaxted on 26 Apr 2007 2:36:48 PM
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 8:42:43 PM
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Karodhab bay 1946 By Shihab out of Karaka, bred by C.W. Hough has no recorded purebred progeny, could this perhaps be the one?
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Barabia
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 9:07:51 PM
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And if it's Karodhab his pedigree is here (no picture though):
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/karodhab
PS. Mike, are you sure that C.W. Hough dosn't have any purebred progeny??
Sorry, couldn't resist!!!
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Mike
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 9:59:11 PM
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C.W. Hough definitely did not personally sire any purebred foals though he did breed some
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 4:39:26 PM
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In 1939, Lady Yule, Hanstead Stud, sent 2 mares to Shihad(1935), Razina & Nurschida.= Hama(1940)Shihab/Raxina.
Karaka also prodused 2 other foals by Shihab,they were Asad(1944) & Shy Kiss(1947) exported to US in 1958.
Kehelan(1932), also by Akal,was sold to Scotland to cross with Highland mares.
http://www.arabianhevonen.net/suvut/suku.php?id=2464&lan=fi
info on Shihab(1935).
It might now help if you add the horses name & year of birth to your Title...
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Thaxted
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N. Ireland
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Posted - 26 Apr 2007 : 2:03:53 PM
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Mike
I think that this could be the one - for some reason the name looks familiar - I know that the name was on the photo that I saw so I'll assume that this it the correct horse. Many thanks - I'm amazed that you could decipher my (crude) phonetic spelling of the name
Barabia
Fasinating that so much info is available. What a pity that there is no photo. Thanks for your help
Rozy Rider
Can't see how to edit title - can you help here?
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 26 Apr 2007 : 2:17:40 PM
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Karodhab, is listed on the allbreeds as one of Shihab's off springs...have you had a look and have you seen the lovely picture of Shihab and the others...from his line....No picture of the dam or many/any on her side.....
Calling someone with the older stud book VOL 7, got anything for this horse in and just after 1946...60+ years ago...just after the war......
Bia,I think there are two other horses out of the same dam as Karodab(1946), One is Hama(1946), Shy Kiss(1947) & Asad(1944)... any clues there....please...Sue
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Thaxted
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Posted - 26 Apr 2007 : 2:39:30 PM
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Thanks - took me a while to realise that I had to be logged on to see the square with the pen....doh.....
I did see the lovely photo of the Dam - I may just be imagining it - but I think that the Karodhab photo I saw showed that he was very similar to her.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 26 Apr 2007 : 2:59:06 PM
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You need the Stud Book Vol.7, I have Vol.8 and can see that Mr Hough had several others with the name starting with 'K',
Where did you see the pic of the dam...??????? |
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Barabia
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 26 Apr 2007 : 7:41:29 PM
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Thanks Bia, Thats fine for me, & Hama was out of Razina from Hanstead my mistake.
Address for the breeder in 1957..C.W.Hough, Hydes Abridge,Romford, Essex..
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Barabia
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Posted - 26 Apr 2007 : 7:59:03 PM
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OK Sue,
C.W.Hough breed horses from 1924 to 1964, no new address is registrered at the database.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 27 Apr 2007 : 10:37:49 AM
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Thanks again, Bia, don't know what we'd do without you. Does it list against these horses out of Karaka, who bred them, would that confirm the year he went to Nth. Ireland...
Non of my old mags go back that far.. Infact, I only just go back that far....
Thaxed, It sounds as if your family may be the only folks that had pictures of this horse and you need to be able to go back 60 years+, got any other clue's, was he shown, can you confirm the years he arrived.( this might show in the mares progeny).
Anyone tell us the Name of Mr C. W. Hough Stud..incaseit will Google... |
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Barabia
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 29 Apr 2007 : 10:52:26 AM
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 SHIHAB. just found this.. |
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 29 Apr 2007 10:53:28 AM |
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Thaxted
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N. Ireland
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Posted - 29 Apr 2007 : 9:20:43 PM
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Rozy Rider
You'll be starting to think that I'm a complete idiot (honest - I'm not) but it was that pic of Shihab that I meant - of course this is the sire!!!
Bia
thanks for all this info - I'm sorry that I have no more concrete information from my side. I have a feeling that there were some foals but my grandfather was not a 'breeder' in any real sense (he died before I was born) and I don't know when he (the horse) was brought into NI.
It was just that a couple of weeks ago some friends were talking about 'claims to fame' etc and I said that as far as I knew my g'father had the first arab stallion in NI and it got me thinking about it all. I'm really pleased that I at least have the correct name but I'm sure that the photo is long gone. What a pity.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 03 May 2007 : 1:40:26 PM
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| Don't give up just yet, have you got any contacts with the Arab circles near where you live,local knowedge is always good, speak to some of the old timers, if you can find someone, that can go back to the war years or just after, you may find out much more, camaras/photographs were in short supply around that time, and so were some horses, many had been swollowed up by the war effort, and folks like your grandad might well have had an influance on the future breeding policy, in those days Arabs formed a good part of the part bred policy... I also, wondered if you might put the word out, in the Irish Endurance Circles....http://www.ildra.co.uk/..... in case anyone there could remember the horse & any stock,your talking about at least 4 or 5 generations down the line now...quite a task, but, dont give up...also try the local Archives,you'd be surprised what info these hold, many of these are now on line and can point you in the direction, be fore you even get out of your chair, the place,name of house/farm may all bring info in for you...also, I think the horse came form Norfolk.....a long way to import a horse...and back in the 1940/50ies not many shows, so you might get info of the horse before he went to NI....I also wonder if the AHS and any of the old Arab horse Books in circulation carry any info of the horse and his previous owner...might be worth you contacting the AHS just in case anyone there can help with archive stuff.. I know a dealer who lives in Larne who for years has brought horses in & out of Ireland....... Good Luck...Sue |
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