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Kunama
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Sheena
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 Posted - 22 Mar 2007 : 12:55:27 PM
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Don't take my word for it - but looking quickly I would think your boy is extremly high percentage if not 100% I'm not good enough to pick out the few horses that don't fall into the Crabbet Rule, Sorry. He certainly has a fabulous pedigree though - do you have any pictures of him.
Your Boy and your potential broodmare and the possible reuslting foal all have my favourite Crabbet line - Silver Fire. It's a very succesful family and they all have a special look that has stayed with the line through the years. I'd be over the moon to own any of them if it was me.
You could speak to Alexia Ross or Caroline Sussex at the Crabbet Organisation re the potential resulting foal - they both have alot of knowledge in lines that work and what faults different lines have. I don't prefess to have enough knowledge but I would be excited at the resulting foal - but like i've said they have all the horses in their that I like! Good luck with them all
Just edited to ask who bred your boy?
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Kunama
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Posted - 22 Mar 2007 : 2:31:30 PM
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| Hazel crowle of ZS arabians bred Zaanif, Which names in his pedigree would make him not 100%? i'm new to this and would be interested to know, also what 'type' would you describe the silver fire line as? |
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Sheena
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Posted - 22 Mar 2007 : 2:56:06 PM
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Sorry that was kind of my point - i'm not sure enough to start listing them what horses might not make him 100% Crabbet. I'm not that up on who falls into where in the term of Crabbet i'm afraid. As a novice a first glimpse at his pedigree would make me think he was 100% - again not sure enough to be adamment about it. Basically I don't want to give you the wrong info. Does Hazel not know his percentage??
The Silver Fire line - and again this is my own personal opinion and some may (probably will) disagree. The reason I love the Silver Fire Line so much is not only that I own a descendant myself that looks like her Dam, Grand-dam, great grand-dam etc (although that would likely be why I am so Biased  ) but also because I find them one of the more 'stand out in a crowd' of the Crabbet Bloodlines - with most being grey, and turning white quite young I think also helps. Isn't there a saying somewhere 'you can take a white horse anywhere and he will turn heads'? I also find them more refined then some other Crabbet lines and to really look like a horse you want to ride - very regal in appearance and generally give the impression of being full of their own self-importance, but not in an arrogant way.
The grey in my signature is a Silver Sheen Grandaughter - she thinks she is the Queen, but then she does have us all wrapped round her little finger so she gets treated like one too.
If you want to find out more about Crabbet you should really join the Crabbet Organisation - it's a really cheap yearly subsription and they have a bi-annual magazine and lots of interesting articles. They also have a list of books that can be bought that have lots of great information and pictures in.
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Kunama
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Posted - 22 Mar 2007 : 4:00:03 PM
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thankyou sheena, the way you describe the silver fire line's characteristics describe Zaanif beautifully, increadably brave and inteligent and has that special something that makes you look at him.
Hazel sold him as 100% which i belive he is, BUT i do not have his heritage certificate yet so we shall see..... ;)
The only thing is i still cant tell if he will stay chesnut, he has a lot of grey hairs but is a very solid colour and where he is loseing his coat he is liver chesnut so i wait with baited breath on that one too! |
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jak812
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Posted - 22 Mar 2007 : 4:27:00 PM
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Please don't take this as gospel as I'm not 100% sure what criteria is used nowadays, but I think the only line that may disqulaify your colt from being 100% Crabbet would be that of Dargee. I was always told that Crabbet meant tracing in all lines to horses bred by the Blunts, Lady Wentworth or Cecil Covey which would discount Dargee. But I'm not sure how Hanif fits in being a grandson of Dargee but bred at Crabbet. I'm sure there will be somebody knowledgable enough on this forum to give you a definite answer.
Your colt looks to be beautifully bred and is a great great grandson of two mares I used to look after in the '80's, Soumana of Fairfield and the wonderful Silver Sheen. Like Alicia I am a great fan of the Silver line and she and Sheena are doing a great job of keeping the flag flying.
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Sheena
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Posted - 22 Mar 2007 : 4:28:47 PM
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Ohh he sounds lovely. When in 2006 was he born?
I do know of a couple of Silver fire Line horses, Sheena included that were what I like to desribe as 'rat' colour when they were weanling/yearlings. Not really Chesnut but not really Liver, with lots of grey flecks. Sheena wen through varying shades of this colour till she was two when she started to go through various stages of brown and pink till she decided to opt for Grey LOL I'll have to see if i can dig out a picture of her when she was that colour.
Post some pics of your boy if you get the chance - would love to see what he looks like.
Just editing to ask if anyone can post the picture from either the Summer or Winter 1996 AHS Mag - I think it was Anne Brown of Gadebrrok who put a lovely picture in her advert of SIlvern Sheen (Silvern Sceptre x Crystal Sheen) and Silvern Aurena (Silvern Sceptre x Silver Aura) who both eventually turned grey. |
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 22 Mar 2007 : 4:39:14 PM
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I had a quick look and am not an expert either, but there is a mare called Aatika 1933 and Myola 1937 in his line that are only half crabbet as far as I can tell, these are the ancestors of Dargee. This is on the Dams side of the pedigree.
Dargee also appears on the sires side too. But don't quote me I am not an expert!!! I'm sure someone on here will be able to tell you. |
     
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Sheena
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Posted - 22 Mar 2007 : 4:46:19 PM
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Thanks Jackie - That's really kind of you 
It makes me very proud of Sheena and Emily when I know how pleased Iona is to see her 'Silver' lines carrying on and being succesful. I like to think that Sheena is to me what Crystal Sheen and Silver Sheen were to the people who were/are around them.
You'll have to meet 'the Queen' in person one day - it would be great to meet you.
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Anfi
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Posted - 22 Mar 2007 : 8:15:38 PM
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Hi,
I'm no expert either, but I think that Dargee is considered Crabbet because he was used at the Crabbet stud. It is true that Algol is not Crabbet - except when he appears through Dargee. That, at least, is what I have understood.
I cannot see any horses that are not Crabbet - but then again, I am not 100% certain - you would need the word of someone more knowledgable within this area.
What a beautiful mare you have!
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Barabia
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Kunama
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Posted - 22 Mar 2007 : 11:09:29 PM
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Many thanks for all your replies,
on the colour thing, yes he is chesnut with white bits in his coat a few around his eyes and silver in the center underside of his tail, lots of little white hairs in his mane, but liver chesnut on his rump... i've posted these pics before, but here you go, he is les than six weeks in these he was born end of july.
sorry my camera hasnt been working lately so i havent got any new pics.
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Sheena
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Posted - 24 Mar 2007 : 2:50:37 PM
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Oh Pashon - I love the Silver Sheen daughter, what;s her name? - who is her sire? Do you have her? She is absoloutly beautiful and I think Sheen threw predominantly greys didn't she so your girl must be quite rare? has she had many foals??
Kunama - I have a strong feeling your boy might stay the colout he is, I certainly don't think he will go grey (you'll have to let m know if he proves me wrong!) I'd be tempted top think that the streaks in his mane and tail might be flaxen streaks possibly - and maybe the grey flecks in his coat may be a little roaning?? Be interesting to know how he grows up - he is a lovely lad, and thanks for posting the pictures - where had I missed them before?
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