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Adara_Arabians
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 Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 09:50:51 AM
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Please note i am not advertising this horse i have merely found the advert which has caused me a lot of concern.
I have the details of the person selling if anyone is interested please email me. I cannot put the link up here so copied in the advert below.
Its these kind of adverts that make the market so bad and also clearly a cry for help. After reading this i found another offering the horse for £150.00. As discussed in a previous thread selling the horses this cheap or giving them away you can never tell were they end up.
i am selling my beautifull arab stallion due to lack of time i am only asking this price as i was going to give him away but i didnt want just anyone phoning because he was free. anyway he needs someone with a strong will and he needs a bit of handerling he is starting to go a bit strong and he reared up with me once and scared me so now i dont do anything with him and he is going to run riot eventually if nothing is done i have owned him since he was 6 months old he has blood lines to quadeha so he has good blood lines he did come second at his first show in hand at solihull so does have everything behind him to become a fantastic horse i will be vetting new homes he will not just be going to anyone i want the right home for him he is passported and registered at the arab horse society but does need licencing but he has sired 2 beautifull foals which can be seen
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have changed my ad for monty who was on hear yesterday as i have had so much intrest i am open to the best offer and best home i no he aint worth much cause of the work that needs doing to him but from the intrest all of you have had in him i would rather take an offer and no someone really wants him than just let him go for nothing and then him being to much of a handfull for someone anyway make me an offer even if you think its a silly offer but offers over 150 pounds just email me with it thanks amy ps please dont text got no credit
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SueB
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 10:06:19 AM
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This sounds to me like a very good case to geld. I suspect the girl can't afford to. Let's hope the new buyer might.
Lauren, I have found that even selling a horse for a high price does not ensure it goes to a good home. Some have paid huge sums only to find they don't feed, fall on hard times, anything can happen.
What if you thought someone had paid half a Million Pounds for a horse and it was neglected.......this has happened. |
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Adara_Arabians
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 10:09:04 AM
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| so very true Sue however i think that these silly prices and poor adverts attract the wrong buyer from the outset. |
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SueB
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 10:15:24 AM
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In the past I might have bought this chap just to geld and find a home for. Can't do it now I'm afraid, it became a mental struggle that I could have done without.
You will never stop it happening, all we can do is give help as you have done by alerting us to the ad. |
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Tahir
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 10:15:33 AM
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People are beyond belief sometimes!!! Why take on a stallion or colt if rearing is going to scare you - hey!!! its natural for a colt or stallion to do that, some of them will try any trick in the book. It is up to the owner to make it quite clear to the horse that intimidating behaviour is wrong. AND why did the breeder sell a "potential stallion" to an inexperienced person.
Agree with you Sue, sounds like a good case for gelding, the poor horse has obviously been allowed to misbehave too much and his behaviour has now got out of hand.
Carla, xx. |
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Adara_Arabians
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 10:19:58 AM
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| the worrying things is she has apparently had him from the age of 6 months and has 2 offspring that she has kept so i wonder how long she has had him. Doesnt sound like a ring of truth to me, keeping youngstock when you have that fear as well? ummmmmm |
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geegee
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 10:49:58 AM
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Lauren,
Can you tell us the area that he is in?
Ta |
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suneanarab
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 11:14:28 AM
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lauren can you mail me the details of the seller to suneanarab@hotmail.com i'd like to know more about this horse and what's going on.
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NatH
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 11:15:17 AM
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I've sent you an email |
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Adara_Arabians
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 11:20:50 AM
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| Just replying to all emails now. sorry for the delay |
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Big Mover
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 12:33:55 PM
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That is very worrying, I hope some one can help and get this horse before the meat man does. I cant understand some people, if you keep a colt or a stallion you have got to be prepared to stand up to stallion behavior, like Adara said, it dosent all ring true when you put the whole story togethor |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 1:05:00 PM
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Carla you've hit on another point there, which sort of connects to the other thread about the state of the market. Some people will sell to anyone to get a horse moved on. Not part of the Arab world of course, but just in the fields around me, some of the owners have taken on horses that are clearly not suitable for novice, returners to ride, some of whom have children and need to be safe. People will string someone any old lies and not be bothered about the consequences if they can just get the horse sold.
In this case, it could well have been a case of ignorance and enthusiasm. Loads of people long to have a colt. Some have never handled a stallion before or even a bolshy youngster. I believe having colts backed and working under saddle prevents all kinds of handling problems. But you need good backing and training.
I've moaned about this on AL before, but I am shocked sometimes at how teenagers are supposedly taught to ride at expensive riding schools but they have no idea about how to keep, train or maintain a horse, or its environment. One of my rich neighbours' children had had thousands spent on her riding tuition, only to borrow a horse on a trial day prior to loaning it, and worked it so hard all day, jumping every hunt jump in the district, that she returned it with bleeding girth galls and stumbling with exhaustion.
Education, education, education... |
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Pasha
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 1:29:34 PM
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Oh this poor boy I hope he finds a lovely home!! It astounds me why anyone who is not experienced and didn't wanted to run a stud business, would buy a colt in the first place?
I'm not sure what meat prices are, but I think anyone selling for no matter what reason, should ask for more than meat money so that these horses don't end up in the wrong hands |
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Adara_Arabians
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 1:32:05 PM
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This also brings us back to Donnas post of Gelding:
I guess if more studs gelded and sold it would prevent some mistakes like this. From a buyers point of view its nice to have the option of buying a colt or gelding, however if they are not of substantial stallion material to produce good stock they should be cut before sold. |
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cassy
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 2:13:46 PM
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| what a real shame, hope he gets a lovely home |
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polly
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 3:47:36 PM
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why would ayone that inexperienced go and buy ( presuming it was not stolen ?) in the first place. and like you all have said ,who would have sold it to her ??
I have a darling little Ex -stallion, cut at 15y old, and as much as I love him, ( and I Do !!) I will never have another entire , just because I have to think twice about the other horses on the yard , who he stares and scares, where the mares are , bring him in when certain horses are in the arena , all this fuss and he can,t cover , all mouth and no trousers !! Gosh, hope someone rescues this little chap . Polly |
   
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Michelle
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 3:57:27 PM
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If this girl had said she had bought a stallion and couldn't handle him it wouldn't surprise me. It does surprise me that she says she has had him since 6 months old and can't handle him. It's not often that people can't handle horses they have known all their life.
My guess is she wants rid of him, lost interest and can't be bothered so he has picked up some little habits and vices, got a bit 'fresh' from not going out and now she has lost her confidence and just wants rid. |
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Vera
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 4:11:35 PM
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My thoughts exactly Michelle.
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Adara_Arabians
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 4:30:27 PM
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I put my hands up to someone who has a stallion and then says they cannot cope or feel they have over horsed themselves (not that it was this case when in my shoes) But i think she has purchased him as a yougster and either got bored as Michelle said or instead had no idea how to raise youngstock and this has possibly ruined him. Worryingly she has a few youngstock as it says.
A stallion is a huge responsibility and sometimes the pressure is to much for some people, if this is the case you owe the stallion the right to find him the best possible home and advertised correctly without fear of palming him off on someone for £150.00
Has anyone i emailed been in touch with the lady? |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 5:04:18 PM
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I wonder if her others and the offspring are pure-breds? And I also wonder about the breeding of her stallion and where she got it. If she went to Solihull it's likely she lives in the south Midlands. I don't recognise the stallion's name (but then I'm not an expert like some on this site!) and I wonder how old he is?
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polly
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 7:19:28 PM
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After reading this today , I looked around the internet and local papers, and its so sad as there seem to so many ( quite young) stallions that have ended up in the wrong hands. Some people are simply too inexperienced to handle them let alone breed from them ! People aquire them, some by buying, some have them given by even less experienced people, some by all manner of means... and sadly someone somewhere has taken time and trouble for years ,to create this collection of genetics, just for it to be squandered. But I not sure what the answer to all of this is. polly |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 7:50:59 PM
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| I’d hope this stallion will be lucky enough to have a new home with one to one attention, sound training and if he’s good enough, perhaps a competitive home. Horses need new homes at short notice for all sorts of reasons and as has been shown on AL in the past it’s great when people pull together and cooperate to get the best solution. It will be best of all if he is young (we don’t know his age) with all the opportunities that will give his new owner or owners. Who knows, this boy could have the best life ahead of him and his genes may still be made great use of. The distribution of equine genetics is often served by sad circumstances; witness the Gucci sale, which has scattered wonderful bloodlines among the most deserving individuals around the UK and Europe. |
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jasjmm
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 9:07:37 PM
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Hi
Just thought I would mention I have called this lady today, as I have a friend (advanced endurance rider) who is always looking for another horse to bring on. The horse in question is about 14.2hh, and only 56%[50 something anyway] arab. She mentioned the bloodlines (I'm afraid I can't remember - sory, should have written it down) and the sire and dam. She actually sounds pretty open, but the horse is 5 and seems to be trying to assert himself with her (she said he is fine with men, and her father in particular, but not good with women). She hadn't thought that gelding was an option when I suggested that, as she thought that 5 was too old to geld, and also as he has had two foals. I said not at all. It may take a little while for hormones to quieten down, but that was definitely the best course of action. She did seem to want him to go to a good home and had thought that £150 plus would mean someone wanted him enough to pay for him. I suggested she put a price on him larger than the £300 the meat man would offer. Alternatively, she would be prepared to give him away, if it was to the right home.
14.2's are actually quite desireable heights for kids/teenagers horses at the moment (so my buying/selling landlady is always telling me!!) and I said if he had not gone by the weekend, I may go and take a look at him, just so I can let people know what he is like.
Just thought people would like to know - I suspect its a lack of information about what you can/can't do with a stallion and, I would imagine, he was just never gelded as he grew up. Not an excuse, but she seemed pleasant enough. |
    
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 9:51:09 PM
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Five is certainly not too old to geld. I had a stallion gelded at that age the year before last and he is at a DIY livery yard and turned out with the other geldings and his owners are over the moon with him, he is such a super horse and a lovely ride.
I also bought an eight year old stallion and he was gelded for me as I couldn't keep a stallion and wanted a riding horse. He was used at stud right up until he was gelded. He spent the rest of his life turned out in mixed comany and was the kindest horse you would ever meet. He died a few years ago at nearly 31.
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linda
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 11:46:13 PM
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Hi Lauren,
I did send you an e-amail, maybe you did not recieve it!
can you please send me the details asap, I may know someone who will take this boy on, she is very experienced in backing stallions,
Regards
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Adara_Arabians
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 08:46:17 AM
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hi Linda,
i replied to every email i got in a hope of helping this boy find an experinced home. Please try again and ill let you no if i received it. |
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