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nikki
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 Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 2:38:00 PM
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just been browsing the web, and there is a huge amount of arabians for sale at the moment, and nothing seem's to be selling.
I've seen 2 nice looking se geldings for sale, and in the matter of 2 months, their price have gone from £2000-now down to £600.
Has it been steadily getting worse?
or is this just a slump and will pick back up?
I could be asking -how long is a bit of string
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NatH
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 2:51:50 PM
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I hope the market isn't too bad, I've just placed an Ad on Arabians Lines - selling a yearling colt
I trust Arabian Lines will get me a buyer, quickly |
Natalie
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nikki
Platinum Member
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 3:25:38 PM
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hey nat, i've sent you an e-mail.
hope you find a nice new home for your colt. |
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Michelle
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 4:17:37 PM
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I have just sold prima ballerina by advertising on here it really is the best place to sell, after saying that it is also the cheapest too, I have just seen a picture of the WSA Charismma*** colt out of Ross Esta Malika and he is stunning and only £2000! someone should snap him up quickly for that price, he looks to be a sure thing as stallion material he is also full brother to "Wasama bint Malika "who sold for £10,000 ! |
   
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Kazzy
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 4:30:08 PM
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Having not been in the market for a horse for many years I just dont
follow what is for sale, although I do have a sneaky peep
But there was a filly advertised in my local paper last weekend,
only 2 yrs old, fantastic bloodline (I wont say because I dont know the woman selling it) it was advertised as very showy easy to handle ect etc and been show trained, the price £1,750.00 now I think
that is cheap, because I should imagine the stallion fee would have been more than that I dont know, he is a top class stallion.
I told Sal about it and she said to me the market was dead at the moment, sad really, hope it finds a good home, and of course everyone else selling at the moment.
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nikki
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Wales
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 4:35:02 PM
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he is a lovely looking colt Lynda.
I just found it shocking, that these geldings prices have been drasticly reduced, and also some cracking mares for sale on here too. Some good se's at reasonable price, and they are still for sale.
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SueB
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 4:52:57 PM
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I think the market goes in peaks and troughs, maybe at the moment we are in a low trough
Good for you Lynda finding a home for your mare.
I worry when people suggest that to buy a particular horse will make them money, or that they have bought such a quality animal it is really worth a huge sum, when in fact the horse is only worth what anyone is prepared to pay.
I do know of someone who re-mortgaged thier home to buy two very expensive arabs, consequently, when they got fed up with horses and decided to sell them on, in only a few years, they didn't get one call.
This family, silly as they were, lost their home and lost their marrage. I know they were adults, but someone convinced them these arabs were an investment, and were incredibly valuable. Fine if you are a millionare, but these people were an ordinary working couple. To my mind this does a lot of harm to the arab world.
If you are fairly novice it must be easy to get taken in. Some of the huge prices banded about shock me.
I have been accused of over-pricing my filly when she was advertised on here, but I have just sold her!(not for the amount I had advertised her at!) so maybe she was over-priced. It's like Michelle say's, if they happen to catch someones eye.
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Dazzler
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 5:29:02 PM
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| The market is that bad at the moment , people want them for nothing, have never seen so many bargain hunters! |
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Lisa
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 7:10:09 PM
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| I think it's like everything at the moment, people are so strapped for cash they aren't splashing out on big purchases also costs of keeping horses just go up and up whether its livery, farrier, feed, vet etc. Also the cost of land is now astronomical so these all factor into why the market is so slow. |
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jaybird
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 7:46:54 PM
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Hi
Please be realistic with pricing, after speaking to friends, things are on the downturn, and best homes are a priority, too cheap can mean problems, but it can also mean a horse for life, be your own judge for your stock.
B (France)
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 8:13:30 PM
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The market is bad, only today I was asked to buy back one of my youngsters for a very nominal fee, of course I have done as I would hate where she would end up at that price!! (meat money). Soooo having told hubby I was cutting down another arrives this weekend lol!!
I think it will pick up, its a bad time of year, who wants to take on new horses when its all mud and rain?? And please please as jaybird says be realistic on your pricing, no one should have to give them away but 'out of this earth' prices won't get them sold either!! |
     
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lovehorses
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max
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 9:12:47 PM
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Thank you lynda we knew that you would like him, we have a lady coming on wednesday who saw him 4 months ago and fell in love with him.he has every thing to offer including a great temperment we are very proud of him we still have his half brother and intend to keep him for along timeAs every one says you only need that one person to realise that the price does NOT reflect quality and our colt certanly has that |
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Pashon2001
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Ady
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 09:51:54 AM
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I think there are highs and lows in the market and right now is a low. As a buyer rather than a seller its in my favour, but I often wonder why such fabulous horses are priced well below other breeds. I think there is a problem with the AHS promoting the breed at grass roots level, they must raise the awareness of just how good the Arab breed is.
I like to think in a small way, that over the years my daughter and I have been going out to the local shows in Essex, we have done our bit to promote the breed, I know we have turned many people on to the breed. |
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SueB
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 11:14:47 AM
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I think it's people like you and many others who come on this forum, who really do promote the breed. I have always felt the one or two horse owner who will go out there and do it all, is the best way of promoting any breed.
If I had a choice of selling to someone like you, or a top 'Arab show in-hand' only home you would win for me hands down
This is also where the price will be reflected though. I have found that the smaller one or two horse owner, who maybe keeps them at livery can't afford such high prices, so selling a colt at around £1,000, or sometimes even less, is possibly a good way to find this type of home, if that's what the seller wants for their horse.
If you value something very highly, as a lot of us have, then the arab will probably only sell to someone in the arab show scene . So then you need pedigree, looks, fashion, status, a good name helpsfor the horse and the stud who is selling.
These are only my observations over the 25 odd years, but remember, I am still here and still going |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 11:36:10 AM
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I agree Sue, but quality horses should not go too cheaply if the market is to be maintained, I am pleased by the fact that DF Prima Ballerina ( who goes today,) has been bought by a good stud who respect her for her bloodlines and appriciate them and would like to continue them.
Congratulations Court farm Arabians for having the foresight to see her great potential for enriching your brood mare band.  I am sure she will not dissapoint you |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 11:57:32 AM
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The owner of the stud where I bought two horses over the years calculated that a horse cost about £700 each to keep a year (worming, insurance, shoes/trim, feed, hay, supplements, flu-tet jabs, vets' fees, bedding, tack and replacement rugs occasionally, maintenance stuff like grooming products etc) plus possible contributions to central costs like paddock maintenance, transport etc, and that was nearly ten years ago. I think that's certainlyh on the low side now, and with comprehensive insurance, transport to shows, entries etc it is much higher in reality.
So if you have a youngster, holding on to it in a bad market period is going to devalue what you do sell for. The said stud owner (who needed to reduce stock anyway)reckoned he was actually saving money by selling reasonably. I'm sure it's very easy to feel affronted when the carefully cared for foal out of a very personally precious breeding doesn't get any response when advertised, but the fact is that that foal or youngster will cost whoever buys it the same cost per year to keep and maintain. There are only so many horses people can afford! The purchase price is only the beginning! |
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Ady
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 12:18:37 PM
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| Thanks Sue, I am flattered, must say I feel very passionate about the breed and I do agree with Lynda that quality horses should not go too cheaply. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 1:06:26 PM
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I would calculate at around £1,000 a year, so by rights I am giving my mare away!and then some! actually paying to keep her for another 2 years for nothing if you look at it that way, I laugh when people tell me they are going into breeding as a business, whoever makes money? but if you enjoy breeding and you have fun doing it,as long as you dont breed too many and be prepared to wait for the right homes, its a good hobby I think the problems with the market is too many people are breeding indiscriminantly (sp) so the market becomes flooded and the Arabian horse breed suffers! catch 22! |
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Big Mover
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 1:26:27 PM
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I have noticed horses not selling very quickly sometimes, but I have also noticed so called "fashionable" youngstock from big named parents seem to sell quickly or it seems that way??...
Look at coloured cobs, years ago they didnt seem very desirable to alot of people and now the prices look more like telephone numbers My friend recently put her coloured mare up for sale, she had to turn her phone of in the end, she got bombarded with people/calls wanting her. I feel we have developed into a "named/fashion tag/designer society sometimes". |
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SueB
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 1:30:00 PM
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The £1,000 was as a reference to colts Lynda. I have used outside stallions for sometime now and the few colts bred, only one made me a loss, this years in fact.(Not that I run as a business, who does?)
I am sure many stud owners are hating me right now I am in no way trying to devalue the arab, quite the opposite, if you can get arabs out into the wider world you will encourage new people in. This hopefully will generate new studs and new buyers for us all.
It only needs one person to have fun at a show or riding an arab and they are hooked.
Selling to ourselves is not easy, it is such a limiting market, IMO. We need newbies and we need to encourage them and help them all we can. The difficult part is finding the good ones out there. How many times do we have horses offered back to us, I know I do. I know others do too.
Great if you can sell your horse at a good and worthy price, but sometimes it is better to let them go, than have the costs and work, which few of us calculate into the cost of raising a youngster, to consider.
I know of a stud in Europe that will give a colt away with an option to buy back if it makes stallion quality later, not that I would do that, but it is interesting to find out what studs will do to get numbers down. Maybe they are the wise ones?
I personally feel that if you breed arabs as a hobby rather than as a business, by thinking of your arabs as pets, will and does put a different perspective on how, who and what you sell them for. Think about selling your faithful cat or dog for a minute.
By the way I have nothing to sell at the moment. |
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Tomos
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 2:37:05 PM
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Bit of a conundrum this topic I feel.
First and foremost I think horses are severely undervalued, a horse may last you half a lifetime yet people often do not want to pay a fair price for a well produced youngster.
Sue, I don't hate you, I am a stud owner, and yes it is part of my income, and yes we do run it as a business, but it is part of the problem. I was interested in your comment that no one breeds horses for a business. which I assume means that the majority of people are not declaring the income that they take from the horses they sell,
(I'm not talking about people who sell a horse occasionally, but people who breed on a regular basis) this of course undermines people like us who have to pay National Insurance contributions whether we take a penny or not and for every sale we make potenially a quarter goes back to the taxman not into our pockets, so therefore have to charge a reasonable price to cover those extra costs.
Maybe the question should be if it is purely a hobby, you shouldn't expect to make any profit at all, and merely cover your costs ?
Which would mean we would also go out of business, thats my conundrum.
By the way, we may be a business but as never breed more than we can keep, so we never let any horse go unless we are completely happy about the home.
Well I'll just go and batten down the hatches now and wait for your comments
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 2:44:43 PM
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I also sold a colt for £1000 last year Sue, so I know where you are coming from, I will even sell them lower if the home is right, but I dont give the buyers the registration unless they pay the full asking price, which is only fair I think. if they want to show it or use it as a stallion then they would need to get back to me |
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Sundance
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 2:55:34 PM
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I think the market is in a little bit of a dip at the moment and it is certainly a buyers market, good for them. Anyway who tries to make money from breeding horses should be sectioned, as I'd say its nigh on impossible, the best you can hope for is turnover.
I deliberately didn't put any mares in foal last year to give myself a years gap to find the right home for some of the foals from last year. I always think the price is a guide and I think most stud owners (or maybe a few) would be quite flexible on price if the horse was going to superb home. I sold a couple of yearling colts several years ago very cheaply but they were bought by good friends who have given them a superb home and are going to race them which is what I bred them for. Sometimes you have to think of the bigger picture.
I think the spring is the time to sell and buy as people are loooking forward to the coming season, rather than a long dark winter!
I am starting to wonder if it will ever stop raining in Surrey!
Sue you always seem to sell your horses on quite quickly to excellent homes, I am quite jealous!
I also agree with Michelle, people are now looking for something specific and have high expectations and good for them!
Good luck to all selling,
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