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Anfi
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 Posted - 09 Jan 2007 : 5:28:43 PM
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Hi all,
Does anyone know of any photos of this stallion? I was told he died quite young - perhaps someone with access to database could check how many foals he had? Was he ever shown? if so, there might be photos of him somewhere.
His dam is also very difficult to find photos of. If any of you fellow arabitis sufferers have come across one, I'd be thrilled to see it .
Anne
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georgiauk
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Posted - 09 Jan 2007 : 9:39:54 PM
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SUSANNAH AHSB*3660 1965 Mare Chestnut GHAYRAN
RUDAN III AHSB*3553 1965 Gelding Bay JAMAL
TOBRUK AHSB*3572 1965 Stallion Grey JAMAL II
SOLLUM AHSB*3567 1965 Stallion Grey NASAM
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Anfi
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 5:06:07 PM
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Thanks Lynn ,
It looks like he only had one breeding season, then. Too bad - it seems he could have done a lot of good if he'd had the chance.
Oran is such a good influence in a pedigree IMO.
So if he was shown it was probably in '63 or '64. My small collection of AHS News doesn't go back further than '67. Does anyone have issues from 63-64?
I knew about Susannah as she is in my mare's pedigree, but I have never seen anything about Tobruk or Sollum. Any photos, info, etc?
What about Rissada (Bright Shadow x Risseefa)? Has anyone ever seen any pics?
Any help greatly appreciated
Anne
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Sadika
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 7:09:56 PM
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| I visited the stud where Tobruk was MANY years ago - they had a small number of Arabs and I seem to remember a mare of Russian breeding which was quite rare in those days. The stud was on the edge of Dartmoor (I think). I probably still have his stud card (as I usually keep things like that - but it will be buried deep in the office somewhere!). They were lovely people and took the time and trouble to talk at length with me even though I was only an Arab obsessed teenager and not in the market for buying (or even photographing at the time!) |
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Tomos
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 10:56:53 PM
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Sollum used to stand at stud with Daphne Cocksedge near Carmarthen. He had many offspring, probably the best known was the part bred Wyere Lad who I believe won the Red Dragon twice and competed very successfully over a number of years,
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Anfi
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Posted - 11 Jan 2007 : 10:36:52 AM
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Wow - Celtic Shadow is gorgeous!! What a wonderful write-up on the website too! I loved reading about her horses.
Sollum sounds fascinating - do you guys think there's a photo somewhere out there?
Marilyn, thanks for sharing your memory of Tobruk's stud - do you remember anything about himself? Have you ever seen any photos?
Oh - and on another note - I sent you an email (perhaps a month ago?) about Faery Rose. Did you ever receive it?
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 11 Jan 2007 : 11:59:42 AM
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Just to add I've seen a photo recently of Margaret & Wyeres Lad P.B.A.R.(50%)after winning in Endurance...will see if I can find it again.....
Sollum had three foals due in 1977, to mares at Tan-y-Coed Stud,they were Arthusa, Luka, Rushmere's Ophelia.
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Sadika
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Posted - 11 Jan 2007 : 6:52:25 PM
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FAO Anfi
Sadly I can't remember much about Tobruk - most Arabs around that time were of the same type - not the variations we see today - and I was just learning and ALL Arabs seemed so beautiful at the time!! He was a light dapple grey.
I did get your email but I have quite a list of photos to look up... |
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Anfi
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Posted - 12 Jan 2007 : 12:51:27 AM
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Hi Marilyn,
That's ok - I have managed to find a couple of photos of her so it is not urgent. Whenever you get around to it is perfectly ok I can imagine you get swamped with requests.
Sue,
it would be wonderful to see some get of Sollum - purebreds and part breds. Thanks for looking!
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georgiauk
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Posted - 12 Jan 2007 : 06:41:16 AM
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These are Sollum's get and grand get, they all have the dams name at the end
SUHA AHSB*7282 1975 Mare Chestnut ARETHUSA 1975
DARHIAN AHSB*13670 1981 Stallion Chestnut SUHA 1981
LOUIS AHSB*8347 1976 Stallion Chestnut LUKA 1976
BESILYA AHSB*8553 1976 Mare Grey RUSHMERE'S OPHELIA 1976
MYRURJIA AHSB*10777 1979 Mare Grey BESILYA 1979
KASIR AHSB*11809 1980 Stallion Grey BESILYA 1980
RAFILYA AHSB*14007 1982 Mare Grey BESILYA 1982
SOROTI AHSB*9194 1977 Stallion Grey LUKA 1977
ARABISK AHSB*10425 1978 Stallion Chestnut RUSHMERE'S OPHELIA 1978
SOLIRAH OF PENGRAIG AHSB*14139 1982 Mare Chestnut EMIRAH OF PENGRAIG 1982
SOLAR AHSB*14284 1982 Stallion Grey KHALA-EMIRE 1982
SIRAAN SIRAAN AHSB*15021 1983 Stallion Bay FRIVOLITY OF AERON 1983
SOLACE OF PENGRAIG AHSB*15506 1983 Mare Grey SILVER LACE 1983
MERI BINT LUKA AHSB*15974 1984 Mare Chestnut LUKA 1984
GLAUCUS AHSB*17493 1986 Stallion Grey ASIL'S PLATINUM FANTASIA 1986
IBN SOLLUM AHSB*20062 1986 Stallion Grey SEREN FECHAN 1986
HOSEA AHSB*18080 1988 Stallion Chestnut ELFIN WHISPER 1988
SOLOMIE AHSB*19774 1989 Mare Chestnut RICHIANNA 1989
CATRIN AHSB*21522 1990 Mare Grey CELESTINA 1990
TAURUS OF GRANGEWAY AHSB*27185 1995 Stallion Chestnut CATRIN 1995
CATINA OF GRANGEWAY AHSB*28164 1996 Mare Chestnut CATRIN 1996
JANUS OF GRANGEWAY AHSB*29153 1997 Stallion Chestnut CATRIN 1997
CARRAMELLA OF GRANGEWAY AHSB*30808 1999 Mare Chestnut CATRIN 1999
DANIELLE AHSB*21865 1990 Mare Grey MAGNETTA 1990
RHOSYN AHSB*22083 1990 Mare Chestnut RICHIANNA 1990
SANT CAIO O'R CASTELL AHSB*27775 1995 Stallion Chestnut RHOSYN 1995
RHODRI AP SOLLUM AHSB*22094 1990 Stallion Chestnut ROISIN 1990
TADISSIMA SULLACO AHSB*22284 1990 Mare Grey TASHMAR 1990
CORALIE BELLE AHSB*22469 1991 Mare Grey CELESTINA 1991
ROSA BELLA AHSB*30865 2000 Mare Grey CORALIE BELLE 2000
COUNT SOLLUM AHSB*22491 1991 Stallion Grey COUNTESS MAGNET 1991
HALEEM OF GRANGEWAY AHSB*22653 1991 Stallion Grey HANISSA 1991
HEFINA AHSB*22663 1991 Mare Chestnut HESIONE 1991
HEFINS SECRET AHSB*31374 2001 Mare Grey HEFINA 2001
SOLLINX AHSB*22693 1991 Stallion Grey IREXANDYA 1991
SOLLETTA AHSB*22826 1991 Mare Grey MAGNETTA 1991
HARRIET DAVIES AHSB*23037 1991 Mare Bay RICHIANNA 1991
CELTIC SHADOW AHSB*23255 1991 Stallion Chestnut TASHMAR 1991
BINT BISHARI AHSB*27158 1995 Mare Grey BISHARI 1995
KAZPER AHSB*27305 1995 Stallion Grey ELFRIEDE 1995
JASMYNS SHADOW AHSB*27441 1995 Mare Chestnut JASMYN 1995
RHYDYGRUG DISRAELI AHSB*30250 1996 Gelding Chestnut BINT AYISHA 1996
EZME AHSB*30435 1997 Mare Chestnut WINIFRIEDE 1997
CELTIC APHRODITE AHSB*30245 1997 Mare Grey ARISHMA 1997
BINT MAGNETTA AHSB*31798 1998 Mare Grey MAGNETTA 1998
SHADES OF TESSRA AHSB*32745 1998 Mare Chestnut TASHARA 1998
DELYN AUR AHSB*31830 1999 Mare Chestnut MANON BINT TARIM 1999
MIRABELLA AHSB*31247 1999 Mare Grey G KARAMIABELLA 1999
CELTIC TREASURE AHSB*32754 2000 Mare Chestnut TASHARA 2000
FAHED AHSB*31293 2000 Stallion Chestnut GEMINA 2000
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Anfi
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Posted - 12 Jan 2007 : 11:46:58 PM
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Thank you Lynn, its so good to see that these lines have bred on.
I must say that when I look at Celtic Shadow, I see a lot of Oran in him - is that just me?
Lynn - could I ask a big favour? Could you look up Susannah for me in the database? She is from 1965, by Sudeir and out of Ghayran and I would love to see how many foals she had. Allbreeds has her down for eight, but there might be more.
Thanks in advance
Anne
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georgiauk
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Posted - 13 Jan 2007 : 08:12:17 AM
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Wow 15 babies. The one's with * at the begining have no revorded progeny all the rest bred on.
JAPHET AHSB*4431 1968 Stallion Chestnut by KOSSAK
SUDA AHSB*4696 1969 Mare Chestnut by KOSSAK
FAERY SNOW AHSB*5123 1970 Mare Chestnut by KOSSAK
SAMIRHA AHSB*5523 1971 Mare Chestnut by NASMESHNIK
SAMIRHA DSAH*203 1971 Mare Chestnut by NASMESHNIK
KASPIAN ALSB*284 08 Apr 1972 Stallion Chestnut by KOSSAK
KASPIAN AHSB*5976 08 Apr 1972 Stallion Chestnut by KOSSAK
REGALIA AHSB*6496 13 May 1973 Mare Chestnut by ROYAL GOLD
REGALIA AHSA*4268 13 May 1973 Mare Chestnut by ROYAL GOLD
SILVIAR DSAH*180 1974 Mare Chestnut by SILVER RAIN
SILVIAR AHSB*7185 1974 Mare Chestnut by SILVER RAIN
*SUZERAIN AHSB*7904 1975 Stallion Chestnut by SILVER RAIN
*AJAZAH AHSB*10598 1978 Stallion Chestnut by SILVER SCENARIO
*TYPHON AHSB*12747 1980 Stallion Grey by NAZIM
*SUNNANA AHSB*13675 1981 Mare Chestnut by EL BATAL
*SUZANNE AHSB*14717 1982 Mare Bay by BALATON
DECCANA AHSB*15545 1983 Mare Grey by SILVER SCENARIO
SOFONISBA AHSB*16326 21 May 1984 Mare Grey by SILVER SCENARIO
SOFONISBA QASB*34 21 May 1984 Mare Grey by SILVER SCENARIO
SOFONISBA UAE*2051 21 May 1984 Mare Grey by SILVER SCENARIO
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Anfi
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Posted - 13 Jan 2007 : 10:32:10 AM
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Thanks Lynn - I knew I could count on you
I make it 14 foals - that is still a lot! She was one of the best brood mares at Horsey Island - I didn't know that she was even bred to Balaton!
I know Faery Snow went on to produce Faery Rose, BNC, and Samirha was exported to Dk where she was dam and granddam of numerous champions. Kaspian sired some good stock - among them, Emba who was also exported to Dk. I put a photo of him up on allbreeds, but if anyone has more, I would love to see them.
Silviar I'm pretty sure went to Dk as well to become a broodmare.
Suda, I think stayed at Horsey Island as a broodmare - allbreeds lists 7 foals - all fillies!! there are probably more. It looks as if there is an error on allbreeds though - it lists two offspring that are both called Somalia - one by Naslednik and one by Nasmeshnik. Given the fact that Nasmeshnik was on Horsey Island and Naslednik at Tersk, I would think that the first one is not right. On the other hand, Naslednik was still alive in 77 when the foal was born. Can anyone shed any light on this? It would be nice to have the false entry erased from allbreeds.
Does any of you guys know of Susannah get or grandget who did well in the showring or in riding disciplines?
Thank you so much for your input
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georgiauk
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Posted - 13 Jan 2007 : 5:21:46 PM
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Don't know how but I missed one; Rostov by Nasmeshnik 1976
Suda had 12 foals:
SARIAH AHSB*5973 04 May 1972 Mare Chestnut NASMESHNIK
SARIAH AHSA*4237 04 May 1972 Mare Chestnut NASMESHNIK
*RED SUN AHSB*6492 1973 Stallion Bay NASMESHNIK
SALALA AHSB*7900 1975 Mare Bay NASMESHNIK
SIVA AHSB*8680 1976 Mare Chestnut SILVER RAIN
SOMALIA AHSB*9576 1977 Mare Chestnut NASMESHNIK
SOMALIA ITSB*665 1977 Mare Chestnut NASMESHNIK
SOMALIA AVS*3219 1977 Mare Chestnut NASMESHNIK
LATAKIA AHSB*10591 1978 Mare Chestnut SILVER SCENARIO
SALONIKA AHSB*12740 02 Jan 1980 Mare Grey SILVER SCENARIO
*SALONIKA AHR*242356 02 Jan 1980 Mare Grey SILVER SCENARIO
SULINA AHSB*13669 1981 Mare Grey SILVER SCENARIO
PATTON AHSB*14713 19 Jan 1982 Stallion Chestnut SILVER SCENARIO
PATTON IRAQ*212 19 Jan 1982 Stallion Chestnut SILVER SCENARIO
*BRADLEY AHSB*15540 1983 Stallion Chestnut SILVER SCENARIO
*AARDVARK AHSB*16318 1984 Stallion Chestnut NAZIM
FONIA AHSB*17120 1985 Mare Chestnut SILVER SCENARIO
FONIA SBFAR*11229 1985 Mare Chestnut SILVER SCENARIO
Again the one's with * before them haven't any recorded progeny.
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Posted - 13 Jan 2007 : 6:49:38 PM
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Anfi
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Posted - 13 Jan 2007 : 10:42:24 PM
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Hi Mandy, thanks for those references. I have found the photo of Sollum, but I dont have the summer 87 (no 68) issue.
Moosie, thanks for the info
Anne |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 5:53:54 PM
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Sorry to keep you waiting folks,
 This was Margaret Wilkes on Wyere Lad at, it says Red Dragon 1986, but he also gets a mention at The Black Mountain Ride 1986, said to be the toughest ride tackled by many... with only three Bronze Medals Awarded.( I need to read the whole article to make sure I've got it right.so will come back( had a job to remember where the posting was...Sudeir)
Margaret Wilkes still lives in West Wales and recently bought another horse (pure bred) from a pal of mine.
and I am sure if you wanted to chase more, better pic of this horse the person to contact for around that time,would be Peter Orr in New Zealand..he has a web site or I'll ask my pal to ask her what photo's she has of Wyere Lad.
Some of the mares listed as having progeny by this Stallion, were located in West Wales at the time,two mentioned were at Popard Stud.
Just spotted a pic of Nasmeshnik at Horsey,,tell me if you have not seen it. |
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Anfi
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 9:44:36 PM
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Hi Sue,
Thanks a lot for the pic and info - so great to see some results and working horses other than from the show ring.
Anything else you have on any of the other horses mentioned would be great as well
On which website did you see a photo of Nasmeshnik? I think the only website I've seen is the
http://www.horseit.com/heritagecoaststud/index.htm
and they don't have purebreds - I have not seen a pic of Nasmeshnik there.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 17 Jan 2007 : 1:18:13 PM
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Bit more info for you, Margaret (Wilkes) Glover represented Britain in both America & Italy around the years mentioned above on her horse Wyere Lad,I now have her telephone number if you want me to ask in case she has better pictures of Lad and the sire Sollum, who was a local stallion in West Wales...
Nasmeshnik pic above is in AHS No.34 .1972 pg.107 with Horsey Addand also a pic of him on allbreedspedigree and the other Tersk stallion Naslednik(not bred the same way) gets a mention in an article I'm reading written by Jane Kadri after a visit to Tersk in 1986.(AHS No.67.1986.pg.56.) |
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Anfi
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Posted - 18 Jan 2007 : 10:59:15 PM
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Thank you, Sue!!
I do know that photo of Nasmeshnik - I have collected a few photos of him, but they are hard to come by and are not really what I'd call promotional pics - this one certainly isn't The two best of him are probably the one where he rears and the one where he is ridden (colour).
Would love to see the article, but I don't have that issue of AHS News.
Please, if anyone has more info about Sudeir or Susannah progeny, keep posting it - any information is welcome.
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Cassie
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Posted - 18 Jan 2007 : 11:53:38 PM
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Hi Anne
I have a photo of Bright Shadow as supreme male champion 1959 it shows a small part of his pedigee and he was exhibted by Mr Covey bred by Lady Wentwworth.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 27 Jan 2007 : 8:41:12 PM
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Hi Annie, No problem me getting you a copy of the Jane Kadri Tersk article, remembering and finding it under all my stuff, keep reminding me,
and I've come accross another horse,by Sollum and racing, and a picture of Sollum with his owner and his collie dog in wales,towards the end of his life, must try and find that again...remind me... and Wyre Lad was named after the river in West Wales...This horse did very well for the British Team in Endurance in Italy & America...he's buried at the bottom of Margarets garden, and The Black Mountain ride was on of the toughest rides about in those days, went over the top of the Black Mountains in the Llantony Valley area...There might be other folks on these lines that took part and might remember Margaret & her Lad...
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Anfi
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Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 04:51:34 AM
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Sue, what a lovely story about Wyere Lad - I love all this information - it helps bring to life some of the horses that are long gone.
Keep it coming, please
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 9:30:21 PM
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| I do have a spare copy of No.67 with the Tersk -Jane Kadri article..,Thanks Sue... |
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