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| Cinnypony |
Posted - 17 Nov 2014 : 6:19:15 PM
How can you tell if a foal is going to grey out from the colour it's born?
Only asking because Cinny is off to see a grey stallion in 2015, and I was wondering when the foalio pops out, how I will know whether it would stay chestnut/bay or grow up into a grey?
Thanks #128512; |
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| barbara.gregory |
Posted - 26 Nov 2014 : 7:07:07 PM
Thanks for helping me out, Stuart. I will try and get to see you if the weather clears up!
Barbara |
| LOU |
Posted - 26 Nov 2014 : 4:19:05 PM
Both our stallions are clear of all three, I would always test my mares before I start, I bred once to a CA carrier as we thought my ,are was clear on parentage this proved to be wrong she is also a carrier we found this out when I tested the foal I tested her also so I had a cetificate, how sick did I feel when I read the results, please send the test its as cheep as chips.
Lou |
| stuart |
Posted - 26 Nov 2014 : 09:34:17 AM
This is the link Barbara was talking about, I entered my two myself, a few years ago after they were tested..... not all Stallions are tested for the "main 3".
Click on the link below and scroll down for the list....
Hope that helps?
http://www.cerebellar-abiotrophy.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=58 |
| Cinnypony |
Posted - 25 Nov 2014 : 1:46:50 PM
No - had never heard of Djammal - so had a look on allbreed, similar lines to our £1 girl who was by WSA Charismma. |
| alan |
Posted - 25 Nov 2014 : 1:14:14 PM
Would that be Djammal Susi? |
| alan |
Posted - 21 Nov 2014 : 10:54:38 PM
Sab I have pm'd you. |
| barbara.gregory |
Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 10:40:17 PM
I will have a trawl and try and find it over the weekend, the site it was posted on no longer exists, but it certainly doesn't have all the stallions on it. You are better off to find a few stallions you like and then contact the owners as most of them aren't tested and there are a lot of CA carriers around at stud. I had all mine tested for SCID and waited for a reliable LFS test (as it is more common in straight Egyptians) and now find it is cheaper to do all three together than CA and LFS separately so have been saving my pennies to have them all done again!
Barbara |
| sab2 |
Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 4:57:02 PM
Thanks Barbara , i will only use a stallion who is tested clear of all three , where do you find the list ? |
| barbara.gregory |
Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 4:32:09 PM
There is a list but you put your horse on there. You have to send a copy of the certificate for the horse to be listed but some people test and if the result isn't what they want they just keep quiet about it, there is no obligation to declare it (unless you count the moral one but many people don't). If the stallion owner hasn't tested then they should tell you so; if the stallion is a carrier they should also tell you. In the early days of SCID testing some people from Sweden bought my mare on condition she was SCID clear and actually paid for the test as it was just becoming news then. Fortunately she was clear and my mare has a lovely home in Sweden.
There are also stallions that are known carriers; e.g. Ecaho, Ansata Iemhotep, WH Justice, AJA Justified, QR Marc, Vervaldee and many other widely used stallions so if the stallion you want to use has any of the known carriers in his pedigree it is possible he is a carrier (as indeed it is for any horse who hasn't been tested unless he is clear by parentage).
Sab 2, you have to decide whether you will use the stallion without testing or use a different stallion. There are a lot of lovely stallions around that have been tested.
Barbara |
| Kharidian |
Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 3:13:12 PM
Sab2, I understand why you don't want to test your mare, as long as the stallion is clear then you're not going to breed a foal with any syndromes but unless you're going to definitely keep the foal (or if it is gelding), a potential buyer will want to know if it is a carrier.
Caryn |
| sab2 |
Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 12:44:27 PM
Barbara is there a list of tested stallions, i recently found a lovely stallion to use on my pure bred mare, the owner said they would send me details etc and i also sent a message asking if he was tested for SCID ,LFS and CA, sadly they have not even bothered to reply. I don,t really want to have to test my mare as i am only intending to breed from her this once to a purebred. |
| barbara.gregory |
Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 12:27:53 PM
Just what I thought about my homozygous grey choice; he was the one I wanted and that was the only negative for me. He has the added bonus of being SCID, CA and LFS clear which I wanted but as a lot of stallions aren't tested it is great that he has been done. Fingers crossed for a female version of Muhaned al Raayan next year.
Barbara |
| Cinnypony |
Posted - 19 Nov 2014 : 1:43:22 PM
We had an unintended change of plan, nothing to do with the lovely Winged Saint. I go up to Cumbria fairly regularly as I have family there and we have had one too bad many journeys, so have decided we do not want to travel so far. Our last journey up was 11 hours and the previous several have been over 8 hours, and these were without a trailer.
So we are now using a stallion that is under an hour away and he has premium status, which matches Cinny's premium status. He is similarly bred to TillytheSillyFilly's dam (same sire and dam lines), and is, shockingly, a grey!
The grey is a shock, as I said I didn't want a grey and therefore wouldn't use a grey stallion. This stallion was so lovely that it didn't matter |
| alan |
Posted - 18 Nov 2014 : 10:48:22 PM
I thought Cinny was booked to Winged Saint for next year? |
| Cinnypony |
Posted - 18 Nov 2014 : 10:22:23 PM
The stallion is definitely not homozygous grey, as a friend has 2 Arabs by him, one grey and the other chestnut.
I don't mind at all what colour the foal is, as long as healthy, though I do have a preference for a fully. However colt or filly, the foal will be with us for keeps |
| barbara.gregory |
Posted - 18 Nov 2014 : 10:11:52 PM
If you know either of the grey parents is homozygous for grey then the foal will be grey. If the grey is not homozygous and the other parent isn't grey then there is a 50/50 chance that the foal will be grey. My foal which is due next summer will be grey as the sire is homozygous so sadly no chance of a different colour.
Barbara |
| Ziadomira |
Posted - 18 Nov 2014 : 3:58:51 PM
We had a chestnut from two bays but both bays had chestnut fathers. I know that two chestnuts will produce a chestnut and that a grey must have a grey parent. I have heard that crossing a cremello with a palomino will produce a palomino and often a cross with a chestnut will give a palomino. All our chestnuts have had pink eyes and the greys black rims round their eyes when foaled |
| sab2 |
Posted - 18 Nov 2014 : 11:33:53 AM
Animal genetics have a colour coat calculator that you can pop in the colour of sire and dam and it will work the % out for you of what colour you will get. For a grey parent you need to put in the colour that it was born before it went grey |
| Kharidian |
Posted - 18 Nov 2014 : 09:50:21 AM
MinHe's explanation is spot-on! Chestnuts that stay chestnut often look as though they have little eyes, due to the pink skin on the eye rims. Bays that stay bay have creamy legs, greys that are born bay have black on the legs!
Roger is by a grey and out of a bay - he's a ginger ninja! Chips had no choice, as chestnut to chestnut can only breed a chestnut.
Caryn |
| Cinnypony |
Posted - 17 Nov 2014 : 7:58:45 PM
TillytheSillyFilly is chestnut with 2 grey parents.
However Cinny although liver chestnut, from a bay sire and and chestnut dam, has 3 grey grandparents.
The stallion is grey with a bay sire and a grey dam and 4 grey grandparents - so it'll be interesting to see what pops out #128521; |
| MinHe |
Posted - 17 Nov 2014 : 7:11:53 PM
If it's going to stay a chestnut, it will have pink skin around the eyes and nostrils. If it is a chestnut that is going to grey out it will have dark skin and possibly a few white hairs over the eyes. If it is going to stay a bay, it won't have dark legs. If it is a bay that is going to grey out, it will have dark legs and may also have lighter 'goggles' around the eyes. Again, it may have white hairs over the eyes (if it doesn't have googles).
I don't know what the odds are, but 5 of my 6 Arabs had grey sires, and not one of them was grey! The only grey I had was by a homozygous grey, but sadly we lost her at one day old.
Keren |
