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| parkvillenerog5 |
Posted - 13 Feb 2013 : 10:35:05 PM
I went only for the tack, but was drawn to the horse section, which usually upsets me.
Anyhow a little welshie caught my eye.
It was a rising 3 chesnut roany type, filly.
Her price got to 140 but didn't sell. Went to have a nosey after the auction and was told she hadbeen sold.
I do hope she got a nice home, along with all the others there xx |
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| pinkvboots |
Posted - 18 Feb 2013 : 11:45:01 AM
I am going slightly of subject here but, I listened to a radio show the other day about people that are violently cruel to animals often end up being violent to a partner and that there is an increase in this type of behaviour, this does not just mean men either its been reported that this is going on involving both sexes, I find this really worrying as if your in a relationship with this kind person they are abusing the whole household including pets, I think this is awful situation to be in.
I have always thought how someone treats there animals is often a indication into what type of person they are, this theory has been proved really with these findings, what kind of person feels the need to be cruel or violent to an animal that is about to be slaughtered some low life scum I think no one I would want to be associated with and would not want to share my house or life with such a person as in time the violence will be directed at you, very sad. |
| Pop |
Posted - 18 Feb 2013 : 09:36:27 AM
The photos certainly look staged, together with a comment by someone who claims to know her that they are staged. And that she has 2/3 acres would suggest that it's not necessary for her to keep them in her lounge. And that she has been helped by an Animal Sanctuary, re-homing most of them already. And had them all checked by a vet.
Its a silly newspaper report, but since most of the ponies are re homed with professional assistance, guess its a result.
Seems she knew it would make her look stupid, but considered that worth it for the publicity to find them homes.
Is it right that her motivation was because of the slaughter house she was bidding against?
"Two slaughtermen have been sacked after an undercover investigation exposed shocking cruelty to horses at an abattoir... The Food Standards Agency told the Daily Mirror it has revoked the licences of two slaughtermen after a probe into the video... FSA head of approvals Craig Kirby said: 'As soon as we got the footage and reviewed it we took immediate action to revoke the slaughtermen's licences... 'We will also look to gather further evidence to see if we can prosecute.'..." |
| FreyaG |
Posted - 18 Feb 2013 : 09:17:33 AM
This link should work [copied the first from H&H forum]
This is not a story about responsible horse rescue...
The photos look staged.. really you can't keep a pony in your lounge !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280038/Mother-launches-crusade-save-horses-knackers-yard--letting-pony-destined-abattoir-room.html
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| parkvillenerog5 |
Posted - 18 Feb 2013 : 07:54:44 AM
Freyag it won't let me view the link.
Xx |
| FreyaG |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 8:51:38 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...toir-room.html
This woman buys ponies from Beeston to save them from meat man but this does not seem an appropiate way to keep a horse to put it mildly !
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| Judith S |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 6:41:26 PM
I don't think there has been much buying for meat at recent auctions in the current climate, I know Turner was not buying for meat at llanybydder last month because of their current investigations.
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| parkvillenerog5 |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 6:20:02 PM
wow havent been on for a few days.
The pony wasnt sold to the meat man apparently, it didnt meet its reserve in the ring but i sale was made after.
wish i could save them all  |
| jackiedo |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 2:16:30 PM
Evidence of mistreatment can and should be reported to your local Animal Health department. They have the power and I have found ours to be fantastic. |
| jackiedo |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 2:12:36 PM
Hopefully if the pony did not make the reserve in the ring she was sold outside - I can't see the meatman paying that for a welshie, so it may not be bad news. I bought Silver from Holmfirth for £60, meatmen don't need to go that high these days. They are offered horses for free. let's hope she is with a family. xx |
| Kazzy |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 1:12:52 PM
So are you saying I dont care about horses Barbara?? I dont care what goes on at horse auctions? or what goes on at peoples own homes that seem to care about horses either?? I do care, I care a lot and Pop has made a post to make me look like I dont care which I found offensive to be totally honest.
I could say more but I wont it would get deleted, but beleive me I do care, all becuase I dont come on here and make a song and dance about it all doesnt mean I dont care and I dont do anything about it, people who know me knowwhat I do and to have someone who doesnt know me suggest that I go down to Beeston market and take photos of people selling their horses to the meatman to make then feel better about themselves are downright out of order!!
People do care and I have thrown my weight behind the WHW campaign in trying to stop this I cant do it on my own and neither can anyone else we all try to do something andlike I said to have someone who doesnt know me try to ridicule me on an internet forum is out of order.
perhaps some people need to look closer at home before having a go at me regarding horses welfare eh
Janet |
| barbara.gregory |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 12:31:17 PM
Ladies, please, we all care passionately about the sad end many horses and ponies have so let's not fight among ourselves.
Even worse than the markets are the horses on places like Spindles Farm owned by the despicipable Jamie Gray. I know Pop is passionate (to the point of obsession?) about animal welfare and admire her for her stance about any sort of cruelty; if we were all like her there would be no cruelty.
Many of us who are passionate about welfare eat meat but deplore the way animals are treated and factory farming so can we all respect each others beliefs and remember that we all want animals to be treated humanely and kindly.
Barbara |
| Kazzy |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 11:34:52 AM
Pop, like i said I know excactly what you were meaning all too well....... oh dont I just...
Anyway its too nice a day to sit here sprouting off to you when your whole intention in the 1st place was to try and make me feel bad about not going to Bloody Beeston horse auctions.
Janet |
| Pop |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 11:34:07 AM
Hey Martha  Thats brilliant |
| martha615 |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 11:29:54 AM
Hey Pop,
Here's something good! I'm going to contact this wonderful woman in Scotland. Her efforts are helping individual horses, enlightening those of us who are not in the know, and getting attention by figures who may be able to help bring pressure onto the practices at these auctions. I'm am going to contact this lady and see if she needs some money. :)
http://www.meejahor.com/the-horse-saver/ |
| Pop |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 11:24:24 AM
Yes, the end result was the same, but the journey was different, and that matters, it matters allot. So it was worthwhile, you belittle what he did, so no, you do not understand.
I'm not trying to make you feel guilty.
"you and your friend intervened", no, my friend did, I was quite clear about that. I stood and watched, and learned.
You have a nice day now. |
| Kazzy |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 11:13:28 AM
Typical reply from Pop
I know excactly what you mean, dont try and make me feel guilty like I said when you and your friend intervened and the end result was still the same eh!
Whatever eh.....
Janet |
| Pop |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 11:01:35 AM
"So by your friend intervening to stop the meatman beating the pony he actaully helped the meatman load his purchase on the wagon so he could carry on and the poor pony still probabaly met his untimely ending" Kazzy
You don't see it? Wow. Whatever ...... |
| Kazzy |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 10:58:20 AM
So by your friend intervening to stop the meatman beating the pony he actaully helped the meatman load his purchase on the wagon so he could carry on and the poor pony still probabaly met his untimely ending.
Dont try and make me feel guilty POP it wont happen. I dont go to Beeston along with thousands of other horse people in the Cheshire area are all them to blame aswell????? dont think so do you??
Until any goverment has the balls to stand up and stop horse slaughter in slaughter houses in this country then it will carry on regardless of me or you or anyone else getting invloved trying toplay the *oh look at me I'm great me I go to auctions and film people selling their horses to the meatman*
Janet |
| Fee |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 10:53:50 AM
Please let's not fight with each other, it keeps us distracted and it's what they want. It's very true we can all do a little to end global cruelty to animals. I don't think anyone will dispute the biggest and worst cruelty to animals per head is factory farming. How can we help end this cruelty? Simple really, watch this. Together we're unbelievably powerful!
This starts with the advert which was broadcast throughout Austrailian TV and cinemas to raise ppl's awareness of factory farming and how they can help to end this global disgusting cruelty. Please watch the video, it's really all you need to do to help.
http://www.makeitpossible.com/
I commend Animals Australia to you and encourage you to look at their website snd everything they are doing. They are so on the ball.
Fee
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| Goldenmane |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 10:50:56 AM
I saw my vet (at the time) at Ashford sales, when 3 very young foals were leaning against the wall and shivering. He said 'what do you expect at an auction?' I changed vets, I don't go to sales now. I try to encourage not to breed, whatever the breed. |
| Pop |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 10:44:49 AM
Many years ago I was at the sales with a friend, tiny man, and badly disabled from a riding accident. We watched, along with many people as the Meat Man loaded his purchases. There was one pony, who just would not load, so the Meat Man started to use his whip on the pony, if was awful. Everyone stood and looked on in horror, except my friend. He walked up to the man, snatched the whip off him, gestured as thou to hit him with it, put it down, went to the pony, and gently, very gently took the pony up the ramp, and stayed a minute, and the pony was calm.
Sometimes there are small things we can do that will make a massive difference to one life.
Or we can just stand by and watch, leave it to someone else, do nothing, shrug and walk away, avoid even seeing.
I'm not trying to make you or anyone feel guilty.
Filming the mean man would achieve nothing, and would be quite pointless, unless he did something wrong. However, I'm sure that we can all think a little wider than that.
You don't have to buy a horse to make a difference. Sometimes small acts of kindness are enough.
Perhaps I should ensure that when I know cruelty is being done, I avoid it, don't go, don't look ..... lesson learned. Thanks. |
| Kazzy |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 10:20:13 AM
Since when has is been illegal to sell your horse to the meatman Pop???? I could go there every week and film people selling their horses to the meatman what would that acheive???? nothing. I find it disgusting if I am honest that people do that and I also find it disgusting the way some people treat their own horses leaving them to suffer in old age without having the thoughts at having them peacefully PTS and the poor horses trying to end their own lives.
Dont try and make me feel guilty POP it wont happen, I have nothing to hide you see.
Janet |
| martha615 |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 10:16:45 AM
I did not feel anyone (certainly not Pop) was "making" me feel guilty. And I agree that we should try to imagine ways to help, if we are so inclined.
There are many ways to help -- through re-homing one of the animals (which ironically may mean that we support the markets, so I don't know what to say about that), to putting pressure on government to help prevent indiscriminate breeding or at least regulate it, to simply reporting what you see at markets. One could give donations to those organisations that can perhaps lobby on behalf of horses. There are probably a dozen ways I haven't thought of, and not all of us are in a position to engage in all the various ways, but there may be one small way that we make a difference. IF we are in a position at this time in our lives to do so. And there are times when we can, and times when we can't. No need to feel guilty -- but it is good to be aware.
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| Pop |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 09:56:55 AM
"If you want it done do it yourself." I would - "If I lived near Beeston I would go"; but the issue is not really Beeston, its a bit more widespread than that.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to make anyone feel guilty. I just feel that each of us can make a difference if we try, if we do something, no matter how small. And if we know of a place where cruelty happens, we should go, and do what we can, not hide from it, because we consider 'someone' else to be responsible for doing something.
Someone once said to me "I don't know why you bother, you cannot save them all". What a strange mentality; and very sad.
Helping one, even with the smallest act of kindness does not make very much difference to the scale of things, but it makes a massive amount of difference to that one.
If anyone feels guilty, then they should do something. That emotion is there to encourage us to act and put things right.
I say, enough of turning a blind eye. Enough of leaving the problem to someone else. |
| Cinnypony |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 08:08:41 AM
Enough Pop.
Guilt tripping people is not a way to get things done. If you want it done do it yourself. And not everyone can change things. You have to have the right person. We have Beaulieu Rd sales. If I kicked up a fuss nothing would happen, whereas a respected trainer I know has in the past managed to change things - but a lot of the being able to is because people know who she is. |
