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| Fee |
Posted - 10 Feb 2013 : 9:41:35 PM
Good to know and I hope more come out and tell us what really goes on.
http://news.sky.com/story/1050255/horsemeat-driver-lifts-lid-on-breaches
Fee
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| Kazzy |
Posted - 18 Feb 2013 : 08:40:31 AM
Fee, I partially gave up meat 7 years before that when I got food poisoning of a sausage haha well not that funny really ended up in hospital for 3 days in South Africa with Salmonella and I thought I was going to die honestly...
Then a few years later I was working in a office and a short walk away was a slaughterhouse I had to walk past every day to get to work, after a few months the smell of the place used to turn my stomach and I could actually hear the cries of the animals especially the pigs the used to scream blue murder and one day I went out of the office to go to get some lunch from the local shopping centre and I walked past a load of pigs being delivered and they knew what was going to happen to them, the wouldnt go off the lorry and the slaughtermen were hitting them I started shouting at them to stop and they just laughed and said something like *you wont be saying that when you tucking into your bacon butty* well that did it for me, since that day I havent eaten meat and I can honestly say I wont eat it again.
I do cook it I cook it for my hubby but he doesnt eat meat like he used to amd the only meat I refuse to cook is Lamb for him, think I have convinced him eating lamb is like eating a puppy dog!
I knw by myself I wont stop people eating meat and I dont ram my beleifs down peoples throats, its upto them if they want to eat meat but all I am saying is dont make me feel guilty becuase I dont eat meat, its my choice not theres and I dont think I look half bad for not eating meat for 25 years
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| Fee |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 6:26:37 PM
Originally posted by Kazzy
Glad I havent eaten meat for 25 years I am hopefully 100% certian I have never eaten horse, even when I did eat meat I didnt eat crap like cheap burgers of buy frozen ready meals anyway. I am a fully trained chef so I wouldnt have had the need to buy it.
Janet
Slightly off topic, soz and just out of interest, what made you give up meat 25 years ago?
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| Kazzy |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 4:29:07 PM
What I dont understand call me stupid but last week someone on the news said that for the bute to effect any of us we wouldave to eat 500 100% horseburgers in one day for the bute to have any effect on humans whatsoever.
Now if thats the case why such a concern over Bute being in the horse in the first case????? who could eat 500 burgers in one day anyway??
Glad I havent eaten meat for 25 years I am hopefully 100% certian I have never eaten horse, even when I did eat meat I didnt eat crap like cheap burgers of buy frozen ready meals anyway. I am a fully trained chef so I wouldnt have had the need to buy it.
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| Quarabian |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 2:07:05 PM
I am only signing not for human consumption to avoid filling in medical records. I don't trust that they wouldn't end up in the slaughter house if they were stolen or I sold them.
While we were registered organic I had to keep records of wormers etc even though the horses were not for eating. Their impact on the environment was taken very seriously. |
| Fee |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 1:57:47 PM
Originally posted by Kazzy
I think you will find that the Labour goverment knew about this 12 years ago aswell and did nothing about it.
Why do you think we were all told to get horse passports???
janet
I wouldn't be surprised if they knew about it 12 years ago. It doesn't matter to me what party is in government either, they're all the same. They should be sacked if they only get a 30% turnout instead of blaming us. Imagine if our work rate production was as low as that!
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| Kes |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 1:45:59 PM
Janet, I really thought it was to stop our horses entering the food chain abroad if treated with certain chemicals. I'm just stunned when on our own doorstep there is massive outrage when the general public learns of 'bute' - the passport system just seems an utter waste of time and money for all concerned now :/ |
| Kazzy |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 1:23:24 PM
I think you will find that the Labour goverment knew about this 12 years ago aswell and did nothing about it.
Why do you think we were all told to get horse passports???
janet |
| Kes |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 12:37:08 PM
I've been following this in the news like most people but I have to question the following; why is it I was forced, and threatened with legal action - not me personally, the general equidea owning public, to pay for a passport to stop my horse entering the food chain.
Can someone tell me exactly what that £25+ got me? Oh hang on, I think I might already know, did it line some pockets somewhere under false pretences of some health rubbish that oddly was only thought to affect other countries but happened on my doorstep instead - good job!!!! NOT. |
| sab2 |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 12:22:38 PM
Mine are all signed not to be eaten but your right Fee this means nothing, theres an awful place near us who is selling ponies without passports even though she knows its illegal, how do these people get away with it :( |
| Fee |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 09:39:33 AM
Originally posted by Quarabian
Ella wrote
You only have to record drugs administered if you are keeping the horse available for human consumption. If you sign the "not for human consumption" declaration you are not required to document any medicines.
If that is the case I will sign the not for human consumption declaration.
All of mine are signed not for human consumption, but tbh imo it's a waste of time, the passport system is a farce, always was. My friend rescued a horse who was at the slaughterhouse, a 17.1 bay tb, he came with a 15.2 coloured cob passport and was to be registered slaughtered as that, farcical. By the time they reach the slaughterhouse they will either have no passport or a fake one.
Right now the main focus of the government will be working out how they can come out of this smelling of roses and who they can make pay who will put up the least fight, i.e. horse owners 
Fee
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| Quarabian |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 09:16:24 AM
Ella wrote
You only have to record drugs administered if you are keeping the horse available for human consumption. If you sign the "not for human consumption" declaration you are not required to document any medicines.
If that is the case I will sign the not for human consumption declaration.
I agree fee. I just have that feeling that is responsible horse owners who will pay the price not the bad guys. If they have to start inspecting passports on a regular basis someone will have to pay for it. |
| Fee |
Posted - 17 Feb 2013 : 08:52:04 AM
So ministers in government were warned in 2011 that horsemeat was illegally entering the food chain and they ignored it, what a surprise!
http://news.sky.com/story/1053185/horsemeat-ministers-were-warned-in-2011
Supermarkets are predicting customers will have to pay for this in higher food prices and I predict we (honest horse owners) will also foot a hefty bill so that the government *look* like they've done something about it. 
Fee
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| FreyaG |
Posted - 15 Feb 2013 : 6:47:44 PM
Agree Goldenmane,
In case anyone missed the thread -
here's the link again to the World Horse Welfare campaign for action in Europe re horse transport conditions
http://e-activist.com/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1749&ea.campaign.id=17821
World Horse Welfare says -
"We can’t know where the horse meat recently found in supermarket burgers came from, but we know that horses transported across Europe for slaughter suffer terribly on journeys that can last for days." |
| Goldenmane |
Posted - 15 Feb 2013 : 6:20:50 PM
I wish the media would highlight the transport and slaughter of the horses instead of showing lumps of meat, that meat eating people see every day.
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| george |
Posted - 15 Feb 2013 : 1:27:13 PM
Well said Pop! |
| Pasch |
Posted - 15 Feb 2013 : 11:35:41 AM
I am also not so hopeful unfortunately.... |
| Pop |
Posted - 15 Feb 2013 : 11:13:52 AM
"Heartbreaking but so glad some facts are getting out there and some of the public are looking and listening" Fee
I fear that the Public (and I generalise) are looking and listening to quite different aspects of the story, about being charged for Beef when they were sold horse, and about human health risks, and what I heard as the 'Yuk factor'. That's Yuk that we have unknowingly eaten horse, not Yuk that we put a gun to their head and shot them.
I really don't care how careful and humane the slaughter houses are reported to be; we all have horses who become terribly stressed when we move them to a different livery yard, or even a different paddock, and without their field mates, they are extremely distressed. I am in no doubt that they would be terrified being taken into a small room by someone they don't know. And I have to wonder if they are all clean shots. I seriously doubt that all horses will let a stranger handle their heads whilst holding what would look to them like a weapon/whip. I know none of mine would stand still and let a stranger do that to them in a strange place. I really do wonder quite how many clean shots there are.
I'm glad you are hopeful Fee, I would like to think you are right and the public care about the fate of horse and animals, I really do.
However, I don't think (generalising again) they do, they care about the threat to their health, and their wallets.
A question for you. Do you think that horses are not terrified when they are taken into that room? I think that they are.
Apparently, human flesh tastes like Pork ........ I wonder if we will ever evolve to deal with our human loved ones, sick and old, in the same way we deal with our equines, sick and old. But then I prefer horses to people, so, I guess ............
I read/saw something a while back, brought to peoples attention by Lynda Free, and it really hit home with me, tbh, I had to go throw up. And I tried to share the thinking, because she was right; and even those who look like they are listening and caring often have blank eyes, they just will not let the realisation of what we do enter their heads.
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| Judith S |
Posted - 15 Feb 2013 : 10:26:22 AM
Originally posted by Naar
No Fee, he hasn't sold horse as beef, the plant at Llandre knew that they were purchasing horse carcasses.
They have now been arrested on suspicion of fraud in passing off horsemeat as beef.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/horsemeat-scandal-three-men-arrested-183334166.html |
| Fee |
Posted - 15 Feb 2013 : 09:43:47 AM
Heartbreaking but so glad some facts are getting out there and some of the public are looking and listening.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2278889/The-grim-reality-abattoirs-Grisly-image-inside-Somerset-slaughterhouse-centre-danger-drug-probe-shows-brutal-seconds-ponys-life.html
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| ella |
Posted - 13 Feb 2013 : 7:25:46 PM
You only have to record drugs administered if you are keeping the horse available for human consumption. If you sign the "not for human consumption" declaration you are not required to document any medicines.
It is the owner's duty to ensure the document is fully completed, not the vet's, although some will only dispense after seeing proof their client is complying with passport legislation.
The story of the farmer having his own bute-filled horse butchered for his own consumption is dreadful. It never crossed my mind that people are consuming their own equine stock in the UK!
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| Naar |
Posted - 13 Feb 2013 : 6:11:42 PM
No Fee, he hasn't sold horse as beef, the plant at Llandre knew that they were purchasing horse carcasses. |
| Quarabian |
Posted - 13 Feb 2013 : 4:18:31 PM
I spoke too soon. When I collected Cody's bute today the vet nurse wasn't sure she should be giving it to me in the ammount I asked for and also said that I must enter this on the horse's passport. So they have obviously had some sort of reminder from the peole higher up. |
| lulu |
Posted - 13 Feb 2013 : 1:28:19 PM
Only buy from a local butcher who gets his meat from local farms.
I returned Thea's passport to Arab Society when she was put down and I have filled in the relevent bit at the back on her passport and on Sami's medication bits are also filled in. |
| Pasch |
Posted - 13 Feb 2013 : 1:01:29 PM
I am amazed that for once regulations appear to be stricter in Italy than in UK!
Here you can have different passports:my boys for example have ANICA passports (the arabian association) and if you have a horse registered with any breed society you will have their passport.Mixed or unregistered horses have the standard passport.Then there's the Federation passport for sport horses.You must decide if your horse fits into the human consumption category or not.Racing,trot and most sj and generally horses competing are automatically not (due to higher probability of using drugs).
If your horse is for human consumption you have very strict control.You have to keep a register of all the drugs you are using,and send a copy of the prescription to Health office every time.
Here vets prescribe drugs then you have to get them at the chemist who will keep one of the three copies of the prescription to send to health office (wether or not your horse is for human consumption)Every prescription will have your details(name and address,tax number)and the horse details(name,number of passport,microchip number,code number of livery yard)
I was once called from the yard because I had left the Danilon for Pasch there so they could give him when I couldn't go.there was a check and I had the prescription at home,could have been fined up to 2000 euros.
Horses can't go anywhere without their passports( well of course you don't have to bring it on a hack!but whenever you box your horse somewhere)and vaccinations need to be up to date for competing horses(also needing their passports to compete)
Of course there are people who will find a way to avoid laws and it does happen as I said in my previous post! |
| Pop |
Posted - 13 Feb 2013 : 11:07:44 AM
"Just a quick question,
How many people here have returned their passport to the issuing agency when they have lost a horse,
Never
{i]and how many have their medications religiously entered on their passports
Never
or have had them filled in with not for human consumption?"
One I think, but that horse has sadly gone now, I still have the passport.
I have a pony who, having checked her history, looks to be on her third passport, and another who had her first passport when I bought her.
I also have a passport (again, a horse no longer with us) which I did myself, picture and all, because, at one point, it was legal for owners to do their own passport preparation and just send it away for a plastic cover by an authorised agency.
I wonder if the seemingly abandoned idea to put a tax on each horse and the abandoned NED database are connected. Perhaps the passport requirement was more about finding all those who could be taxed rather than anything to do with the food chain? Who knows.
I just wish there was the same level of outrage and investigation into the manner of slaughter as well as what happens to the horse when it has been. If we really cared about what we eat, that would be equally as outrageous.
I don't think its working really.
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