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| Pashon2001 |
Posted - 12 Oct 2012 : 7:11:20 PM
It appears that you no longer are able to register a gelding with the AHS unless he is already gelded!! Just queried why my geldings papers had been sent back already even though I hadnt sent the gelding certificate in yet (was gelded two weeks ago) and was told that as my vet had filled in the markings and signed it obviously she/he would have inspected to check he was gelded???? It always used to be that papers were held awaiting proof of gelding. But we are supposed to send the papers in before 30 days old??? So presumably we are supposed to geld them before 30 days or pay full price to register as a colt?????
My vet signed the papers as a gelding as she knew he would be gelded at some point, like as in when he was old enough...........DUH!!! So don't bother gelding your colts now guys, just register them as geldings and save yourself a vets bill lol!!! Thats as long as your vet signs the papers as a gelding, otherwise you have to pay full price and register a colt and a vets bill to geld them later..........................................
Yet another money making scam by the AHS. They have now effectively removed the gelding incentive as by law we have to have passports before 6 months old or 31st December whichever is sooner. |
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| Pashon2001 |
Posted - 15 Oct 2012 : 5:46:12 PM
I have a rescue mare here (some may remember her) that came to me without papers. I knew she had them, but had to get them. I put her in foal earlier this year and have only just received the papers for her, I will be wild if I'm not listed as the breeder grrrrrrrrr. |
| stuart |
Posted - 15 Oct 2012 : 5:06:28 PM
Dear RiffRaff,
Hopefully your case will be dealt with quickly, and, finally you'll have that foal registered in your name with you as the breeder!!
Ring Tracy Phizacklea at the AHS office tomorrow! 01672 521411 - but I'm sure you've got that! |
| RiffRaff |
Posted - 15 Oct 2012 : 3:04:52 PM
Stuart - I have been told twice on the phone this year that the breeder is the person who was registered as the mares owner at time of conception, I pointed out that in the guidelines and transfer of ownership for it says at time of foaling to which they replied this was a misprint! But yet a new book and owner transfer form has come out this year and still says the same! I have had to get the previous owner to write a letter to then saying that she was happy for me to be the breeder! Still awaiting papers to see if this happens or if I will have to argue with them! Seems like its one rule for one person and another for someone else as I know lots of people who are breeders of foals that they didn't own the mare at time of covering! |
| stuart |
Posted - 15 Oct 2012 : 12:57:35 PM
It is Mare owner at time of foaling that is registered as the breeder....... No change. |
| stuart |
Posted - 14 Oct 2012 : 7:11:08 PM
I am interested in "the breeder is the mare owner at the time of conception" ...if this has always been the case - I need to claim a couple back  I always was of the belief it was Mare owner at the time of foaling in the U.K.
I have a late born due next year - I'll do what is right by the foal - I'm sure they'll understand......
Fees soon add up (Stallion liscence. CA, SCID & LFS Tests. MAI register.. same for the mare etc etc) and need to be flexible and allow for 'birth' date. |
| littlearabians |
Posted - 14 Oct 2012 : 5:01:20 PM
I still stand by AHS in this matter, instead of screaming and shouting we should be grateful that we do have the chance to save on gelding reg.
And regarding gelding that wasnt honoured Little Knight was sold on terms that he had to gelded too, he has always in my eyes been a ridden gelding, yet I still paid for colt reg. as I didnt have him gelded before October 1st (because buyer wanted her own vet to geld, fact is she never did geld, but I did once I bought him back= i could have saved the colt fee).... Anyway I send in this years foal form and paid for colt, then phoned the AHS and said I might geld, and they offered to make reg. on standby and refund me the difference if I gelded... circumstances changed and I phoned them to go ahead with the colt reg.
If they just had to be gelded at some point we would have the country full of unreg colts up to lord only knows what age... you could say he will be gelded but not geld til the horse is 10 for that matter.... DEFRA requires ALL horses have a passport by 6 months of age, ei. the AHS needs to know if they are to write colt or gelding on this passport, and its fraud if they write gelding but the horse still is a colt. |
| delly-b |
Posted - 14 Oct 2012 : 3:50:41 PM
I didnt have to pay the "late" fee as he was born after the 1st, but still have to register as colt by end dec.... it is silly, especially when you compare the fees to the Welsh Cob Society |
| Pashon2001 |
Posted - 14 Oct 2012 : 2:33:49 PM
I just don't understand why it has to be gelded by 1st October? As long as it is gelded sometime. The forms for naming sent in before 30 days old state filly/colt/gelding, so you have to tell them then which it is. Which technically means they must be gelded by 30 days old. Bloody ridiculous. I have NEVER been offered a refund from colt fees, its 'tough titty' if you register a colt. And in Adele's case what if your foal is born late?? Do you have to pay late fees???? Am sick of it, why does it cost more after October 1st?? Why not by Dec 31st????? It moves back and back, soon they will need to be registered before they are born!!! |
| delly-b |
Posted - 14 Oct 2012 : 1:54:51 PM
I cant understand how they can charge differently no matter what the foal is. My foal colt was a very late one and I always intended to geld him. As he wasnt born until the 4th Oct, I had till the end of the year to register him. Obviously I couldnt geld him before then so had to pay the full fee of a colt. It wasnt until he was 18 months that he was gelded as one hadnt quite dropped properly anyway...
I think either way, you suffer if you have a colt. |
| Delyth |
Posted - 14 Oct 2012 : 12:25:27 PM
As a breeder of SE's though some take longer to mature. Taaqib was 3 when his were taken from his nether regions and Paresh was 2. It made a huge difference to them. You could give the responsibility to the new owner to geld but many people want it done for them which is understandable and I had an issue a few years ago with a 'gelding' I'd sold uncut but the castration was not honoured. He changed hands and all of a sudden the new owners wanted registration for an entire !! If you have one foal a year then the difference of a colt registration and a gelding may not be too much of a strain but for me £60+ quid is too much to 'donate' due to timing. Perhaps they could introduce a clause where we are reimbursed !! Or the alternative is that, as breeders, we flood the market with inferior colts instead of excellent geldings !!!
The mare/breeder thing has always been that the mare owner at time of foaling is the breeder. In this particular case it was more annoying that AHS stated it had always been the other way which it never,ever has in the UK. |
| littlearabians |
Posted - 14 Oct 2012 : 10:57:13 AM
to be honest Im with the AHS on this one.... its not right to reg as gelding if the horse is not gelded... its only the initial form of foal birth that needs to be in the AHS office before the foal is 30 days old, if you then wish to geld you can get that done before October 1st the year of birth and get a refund of the colt fees.... I enquired about this this year as I was going to geld Komet for a endurance rider luckily I didnt as she after 17 emails then did a stunt said she didnt have the money to buy him.
AHS is the only breed society I know that offer a discounted fee for geldings, so instead of people complaining on here every year, you should be happy they give you the chance to save money... NO other Arab horse society Ive been involved with has a gelding reg. fee... its same price colt, filly or gelding!
Interested to see about the breeder status Delyth, as Ive bought my new mare from Poland in foal and Im put down as breeder on the Polish exportpapers... but even if Im not I dont mind to be honest. |
| Maesfen |
Posted - 14 Oct 2012 : 10:34:47 AM
The more you have to deal with AHS 'viewpoints' and the more they try to screw out of people the less they appeal. If next year's is a filly she'll be with SHBGB. |
| Pashon2001 |
Posted - 13 Oct 2012 : 6:34:44 PM
|I would like to point out that my vet signed the registration as a gelding (when at that moment he was not) because I told her that registration was sent in and was held pending a certificate which is the way it had always been, she did nothing wrong, untoward or illegal. |
| Centaur |
Posted - 13 Oct 2012 : 12:07:30 PM
Don't be surprised if your vet will not certify something which is not, at the time of signature, true. I certainly wouldn't & I suspect that the RCVS would take a dim view of such practice. |
| Delyth |
Posted - 13 Oct 2012 : 10:12:37 AM
I hadn't noticed this.....doing the same thing !! They always hold papers back until the production of gelding certificate, as way back as I can remember.
They also said this year the owner of the mare at the time of conception is the breeder and according to them always has been. Time the AHS got a few facts right.....it has never been that way here !!! Same as the gelding farce above....help breeders abit please !!! |
| martha615 |
Posted - 12 Oct 2012 : 10:00:51 PM
OMG....what madness.
I've been told I can't register my French-born mare with the AHS unless I get DNA testing! I have a full passport from France but they don't quite believe it, apparently, and blood tests are required. So, that isn't happening.... |
