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| phoenixbruka |
Posted - 24 Nov 2011 : 7:47:48 PM
princess alia al hussain has reignited the debate over what she calls "abusive trends in the training of show horses"
comments such as "spectators dont come to shows because its not a pleasure to see frightened animals!"
EXCELLENT! 
Althugh breeder natalie hewitt of chapel lane arabians said " the more extreme methods are rarely seen in the uk" 
How extreme do they have to get with the shanking before its " extreme"??
At least the debate is out in the public domain
and a lovely photo of Baya-victoria-FB
susie |
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| garnet |
Posted - 27 Nov 2011 : 5:27:15 PM
Agree about 'bagging' - I once watched a class of ridden cobs where most of them did their in-hand trot out being chased with flapping tea towels, but have never understood why similar measures should be necessary for Arabs.
Well said Princess Alia! |
| basbob |
Posted - 27 Nov 2011 : 4:25:54 PM
H & H is a media tool like any other - love it or hate it, it has it's purpose and can spread the word. Personally I love the "glamour" surrounding arabian showing but not the harsh treatment to achieve the stand up. `
During the "debate" about abuse at Aachen I had a girlfriend here who read a post about bagging - when she asked me what it was and I explained she collapsed on the floor in a heap of laughter - she said that if a show pony or warmblood can perform a trot without "a bag" surely so can an elevated arab! - then she collapsed again......... felt really embarrassed........ |
| aliaalhussein |
Posted - 27 Nov 2011 : 11:25:41 AM
...and apologies, Natalie, for spelling your name wrong above :) |
| aliaalhussein |
Posted - 27 Nov 2011 : 11:24:20 AM
Nathalie, well said and thank you for posting your actual words. I was honestly not aware of the article until I was told of this thread but assume it is the result of a chat before the "royal heritage", book launch in September in London, where I must have been on my soapbox! (AGAIN )  |
| suyents |
Posted - 27 Nov 2011 : 11:09:39 AM
Sadly i cannot access the article online :( but perhaps someone of their readers could suggest that H and H print the WAHO speech too!! :) :) |
| Callisto |
Posted - 25 Nov 2011 : 1:33:49 PM
Thank you for posting that Natalie, it does put a rather different viewpoint to the one apparently expressed in the quote posted above. |
| phoenixbruka |
Posted - 25 Nov 2011 : 1:29:51 PM
Natalie that is a well thought out and informative reply and I applaud your stance on the issue
just shows how the press "interpret" things!
If only all trainers could take the view that training with kindness is worth the wait
susie |
| NatH |
Posted - 25 Nov 2011 : 12:11:14 PM
Instead of defending myself, its easier to copy & paste my reply to Martha's email ....
Hi Martha
Last time I was approached by the Horse & Hound I didn't get to speak to the reporter in question, so no comments were made.
I am only a small hobby breeder and have kept and shown Arabian Horses for some 25+ years in the UK only. I am a member of certain Arabian Forums and other members know my stance on this matter, I would never hide my opinions as I think everyone is entitled to one. Close friends know my Arabians are kept well, in a happy safe environment with no great pressures. I am competitive when I compete but would never put my horses through trauma to succeed.
I understand allot of the problems that you refer to are evident in Europe & the USA, but again as I don't Show in these places I have never witnessed this first hand. But if you look this evidence it can be found on the Internet.
In the UK some of our trainers, who work hard to achieve for their Clients, can be seen replicating the methods used in Europe & the USA. Most of this 'training' would be done at home so the general public wouldn't see it. Occasionally you will see the horses being 'wizzed up' in the collecting ring to make their grand enterance into the Show Ring, but this is always discouraged by the Ring Stewards. Also you will see allot of 'shanking' of the lead rein & chain in our UK Show Rings. Outside interferance/noise is against the rules in the UK but this still does occur, although the Stewards do work hard to stop this.
The harsh methods, which you refer to would never be seen at Chapel Lane or inflicted upon any of my horses.
In short, there are certain Shows which I would not compete at as a result of this behaviour.
I haven't really competed at all in the last 3 years due to the loss of my two best Show Horses but I do like to support friends.
In answer to your question, yes 'it should be stamped out' in my opinion. But so should all animal cruelty and neglect. I would advise that if you don't have Arabs yourself, you attend either the National Show in July or the International Show in August to experience this first hand and you will then be able to come to your own conclusion.
I have to say that many of our UK trainers use much kinder methods than those seen in Europe and the USA and still achieve great things. They should be commended for this. The UK also has some excellent ridden producers, who have to produce sane riding animals.
I have to say over the years the UK Show animals have looked allot fitter than in the past. I think that most owners and producers are realising that fat, well covered animals can be as detrimental to health as underfed & underweight beasts.
I hope that I have managed to answer some of your questions.
Kind regards
Natalie |
| faymouse |
Posted - 25 Nov 2011 : 11:41:48 AM
Great news! lets hope its the start to looking for sensibly bred rather than nervous wrecks that jump at their own shadow but look 'showy' These horse were meant to be ridden to war and would need to be pretty levelheaded for that! |
| arabianrio |
Posted - 25 Nov 2011 : 09:24:36 AM
Great to see it in H &H - well done to Princess Alia! |
| jaybird |
Posted - 25 Nov 2011 : 07:31:33 AM
Good for her...this issue needs as much publicity as it can get...great...
Beryl |
| Zan |
Posted - 24 Nov 2011 : 11:27:57 PM
Well done Princess Alia--really good to get it in general main stream horse press ( though I must admit to hating Horse and Hound personally) |
| debs |
Posted - 24 Nov 2011 : 10:22:01 PM
Excellent! |
| natntaz |
Posted - 24 Nov 2011 : 10:13:28 PM
 The more people and high profile people that say about these methods
the better  |
| Pasch |
Posted - 24 Nov 2011 : 9:51:22 PM
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| Callisto |
Posted - 24 Nov 2011 : 8:51:53 PM
Excellent! Unfortunately will have to wait until next week to try and get a copy (still stuck on a boat), fantastic that Princess Alia is actively persuing this in the mainstream equine press. |
| lisa rachel |
Posted - 24 Nov 2011 : 7:55:49 PM
Good for Princess Alia, will buy it tomorrow! |
