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Sam Hunt
Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 5:08:37 PM I am sure what I am asking is probably quite straightforward, but the truth is, I'm really not sure what I'm supposed to do. Sorry for the amount and length of the questions...
I have just bought a new mare (purebred Arab) with AHS passport. I believe I am supposed to return the passport to the AHS who, as the issuer of the passport, can note the change of ownership. 1. Is this the case?
2. If the passport becomes transferred to me as new owner, is it the case that this is NOT the same as having a horse registered in my name with the AHS? Do I have to do this separately?
3. I've also seen on the AHS Website a "Transfer of Ownership - Authorisation Form". I wasn't given a signed one of these at the time of purchase (although I know I could obtain this if necessary). Is it compulsory for me to return this form (signed by seller) too? I am suspecting that this might be for the purpose of registration in my name (instead of change of ownership) assuming that these are two separate things.
4. If transfer of ownership and registration ARE two separate things, do I need to be a member of the AHS to register a horse in my name? If so, can I register the horse in my name at any time down the line, or do I HAVE to do this within the 30 days of purchase specified on the Transfer of Ownership form. I was really hoping to wait to join the AHS and register for 2012 and not have to do it this year, as it's so near to the end of the year.
5. Finally, I bought this mare with a view to breeding a foal of my own to bring on for endurance. I would however like any resulting foal to be properly registered and I understand that the mare has to also be registered as a broodmare. Again, does anyone know how I get her registered as a brood mare? (She has foaled before, but not to an Arab stallion and I don't know if she has been/still is registered as a brood mare - again I suppose I could always check with the previous owners).
Thanks in anticipation of some kind of clarification!
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gem@oakmeister
Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 8:00:57 PM Ooooops didn't mean to send kisses. Had just sent text to sister and must have been in kissy mode sorry. That's what comes from using phone for everything, forget what I'm doing.
gem@oakmeister
Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 6:52:42 PM Stand corrected there sasha. The only PB I bred was from TB mare and didnt need to put her on the breeding register, however the following year we put her to a pure bred for an Anglo and then we had to have her DNA tested and put on the register. So it seems it was because the mare was not Arab. But I must look into it because I have bought a pure bred mare who has had several PB foals with previous owner, all registered with AHS, but I have been told she is not on the breeding register and I will have to do that before I can register a pure bred foal from her. Is this something new the AHS have come up with to generate even more income. X x x
sasha
Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 5:28:58 PM
You DO have to register the mare on the breeding register EVEN if you are breeding partbred.. if the mare is pure bred. You will also have to become a member of the AHS in order to put the mare on the breeding register.. See my post this week about RIP OFF REGISTRATIONS..I have been told this only 2 days ago!!!
gem@oakmeister
Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 3:54:36 PM I was under the impression that the passport must remain with the horse at all times. If authorities ask to see it you have 3 hours to produce it . No chance if it's with breed society. It is NOT a document of ownership so why does owners name need officially changing. That is done on registration papers, which are proof of ownership. You can fill in your own details for information purposes. I think Suelin is right. It is a legal requirement for passport to be with the horse. Hence a recent thread about yard owners wanting to have passports on site. Not really necessary with the 3 hour producer rule, but it makes the point.
Sam Hunt
Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 3:52:47 PM Thanks all. Have just had a nice chat with Ros at Windsor house who's clarified everything for me. (By the way, yes, I do have both passport and registration certificate!)
Sam
Kes
Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 10:53:22 AM I *think* you have 30 days with the AHS for change of ownership which proved a big problem for me. I bought Kes from a stud and asked for him to go straight to another yard for backing. We assumed it would take about 4 weeks but you never know so I had no choice but to send his passport to the AHS for name transfer rather than leave it with him and get caught out. As it happened I got it back before Kes finished his training but as he moved from one trainer to another in that time he was travelling without a passport. Makes things difficult to keep to the rules sometimes if they make so many rules. Carole.
Suelin
Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 09:19:25 AM I never did when I bought Ollie some years ago. Just the registration. I sent Joe's afterwards because he needed it overstamping after he was gelded. I had to ask them to chivvy his up because he was due to go to some shows and we needed to have it for him to travel. I do recall ringing the AHS office for their advice at the time. Have things altered now? Obviously so I apologise for the incorrect current info.
Callisto
Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 08:24:37 AM I had to send both (with transfer of ownership form) when I bought Lily, passport came back very quickly.
Sahir
Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 06:50:12 AM Suelin - the passport DOES have to be returned to the AHS together with the Registration Certificate & transfer of ownership form when registering new ownership.
Elaine.
Suelin
Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 6:45:46 PM It's the registration cert that you send in not the passport. Fill in the transfer cert, with the cheque for the fee, send recorded. Shouldn't be too long coming back.
Passport needs to stay with the horse. There is a space there for you to fill in your details.
I had to send the passport away to the AHS when we had Joe gelded for it to be overstamped.
gem@oakmeister
Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 6:09:08 PM Passport has nothing to do with ownership. It belongs to the horse not the owner ( except TB's when it is also there registration) an Arab (and many other breeds)must have a separate registration document issued when foal was registered. That is your proof of ownership. It should have been given to you at time of purchase with a signed transfer form. If you have registration papers but no transfer form you must get one signed by seller before you can transfer horse to your name. If you have no registration document, worry. I don't think you have to be a member to transfer ownership ( not 100% sure) but you do need to be a member to register a pure bred or Anglo foal. I have bought pure breds before and not transferred into my name for several months so don't think that is an issue. If you wish to breed pure or Anglo your mare needs to be DNA tested and put on the breeding register ( not needed if you breed part bred) AHS will send you all you need to do this if you request it and for this you will need to be a member. It's all fairly easy and straight forward.
My biggest concern is that I can't tell from your post if you have the mares registration papers as well as her passport. If not, why not. All the above is irrelevant without that document. Hope this helps somewhat.
