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| templars |
Posted - 19 Apr 2011 : 7:23:25 PM
Just wondering - do any part bred or Anglo breeders test their horses for SCID?
It's something I hadn't even given a thought to but I've just had mine done (thankfully all clear). I didn't think about it until the vet came out to do the pure breds and asked if I wanted the part breds doing as well.
I've always said I'd never breed from a SCID carrier (my choice and I know some people would disagree). One of my pure breds has come back as a carrier so no breeding from that animal for me. I wrongly assumed that the condition wouldn't affect part breds or Anglos but then I realised that I'm wrong and I was just wondering if breeders tend to check because it's made me realise that there could be a population of non pure Arabian horses introducing SCID into the wider horse population.
It's certainly made me sit up and think.
Apologies if I'm hitting a nerve anywhere - it could just be me being behind the times and finally getting a wake up call. |
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| templars |
Posted - 21 Apr 2011 : 7:24:05 PM
Thanks everyone for the info - and thanks for the contact details Barbara. Kits being applied for tonight!
Cheers everyone |
| phanilah |
Posted - 21 Apr 2011 : 6:16:10 PM
Just to add to some of the comments already made - some of the SCID results from VetGen testing have been for part-Arabian carriers. Just remember, each time a carrier is bred, they have a 50/50 chance of passing the mutation along to their offspring; if that carrier is being bred to a horse of another breed, the odds don't change.
Originally posted by templars
I hadn't considered LFS. Again, I've probably been blinkered because I (possibly incorrectly) assumed that having Crabbet/Old English lines, it wouldn't be a risk but I accept that they should be tested, and it's something I'll get organised.
While LFS is commonly associated with Egyptians (since that's where most of the attention has gone), the Crabbet/Old English lines also have reported cases; some of the breeders with these lines in Australia who have tested LFS carriers are helping to raise awareness of this issue.
Just general - lots of info on genetic disorders is available here:
http://www.arabianhorses.org/education/genetic/default.asp
Beth Minnich |
| pintoarabian |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 10:45:24 PM
Regardless of whatever the rule is, I think the responsible thing to do is to have stallions licensed whether they are pure, Anglo or part bred. Again, I have done this with all of mine, at considerable cost but I felt it necessary, otherwise they'd have been gelded. Things are bad enough in the Arab world without the genetic pool being weakened even more by breeding from stallions that have conformational and other faults that slip through the net without veterinary checks, a pre-requisite for licensing. Just call me old-fashioned but I wouldn't contemplate sending a mare to an unlicensed stallion. Look no further than the leg scores at major championships to spot a problem that needs to be addressed. |
| simbba |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 10:45:08 PM
Hi,my partbred stallion had to pass vet check before they issued his stallion lisence.hope this answers your question
Lisa |
| SueB |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 9:32:24 PM
I really do hope that it is true and you do have to license a purebred now, thank heavens !!
Just because ECAHO don't insist on stallions being licensed it looked as though we were meekly following suit. |
| Pashon2001 |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 8:10:19 PM
Barbara
purebreds do have to be licensed now. I was going to properly license my colt anyway but was told that the rules have changed back to old style with full vet check. I just didnt know about part breds. Anyone know about part bred licensing???? |
| barbara.gregory |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 6:50:52 PM
Donna
Sorry, forgot to reply to your post "Stallion licensing is definately compulsory for pure breds, I thought it was part breds as well?". I have no idea about part breds but you no longer have to have the vet check the list of things, just pay your money and registered them as breeding stock so they can have one testicle, five legs, three ears, parrot mouth, whatever! You can still pay more and have them "properly" licensed with the vet checks but it does costs more. Hope I have got that right, if not I am sure someone will correct me.
Barbara |
| barbara.gregory |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 6:45:25 PM
Rachelle, details to follow.
Dr. Van Haeringen Laboratorium B.V.
P.O. Box 408
6700 AK Wageningen
THE NETHERLANDS
Tel +31 317 416 402
Fax +31 317 426 117
www.vhlgenetics.com
It is 70 euros for the three tests, you just print off the form from the internet and send a hair sample so no vets fees. The website gives you all the details.
Barbara
Admin, I hope it is OK to post this; I have no connection with the lab but I think it is important that people test their breeding stock to avoid ever having an affedted foal.
Barbara |
| Vygoda |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 2:49:13 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_Foal_Syndrome
Look at the end of the first paragraph!! |
| Pashon2001 |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 2:47:52 PM
Stallion licensing is definately compulsory for pure breds, I thought it was part breds as well? |
| templars |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 12:47:21 PM
Thanks for all the replies - I must admit I feel a little remiss in not having considered the part breds and Anglos before now (glad to see I'm the only one - the rest of you are far more conscientious than me!). Thankfully, none of mine are at public stud and I haven't used any of the part breds for breeding purposes - yet! And thankfully they are all clear anyway.
I totally agree about horses being tested prior to be granted breeding status and definitely before Premium.
Thanks Vygoda - I hadn't considered LFS. Again, I've probably been blinkered because I (possibly incorrectly) assumed that having Crabbet/Old English lines, it wouldn't be a risk but I accept that they should be tested, and it's something I'll get organised.
Barbara - I like the idea of a combined testing process. Who do you use to get the combined result - does your vet organise it or just take the blood samples for you? |
| SueB |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 12:33:09 PM
I firmly believe that the AHS should make stallion licensing compulsory again, even if just a basic vet check as before and that all stallions should have their status of SCID, CA and LFS printed on their documents.
How hard is that to achieve?
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| barbara.gregory |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 12:25:31 PM
I agree, Rachelle, I prefer not to use carrier stallions as there is almost always an alternative you can use. I had my breeding horses done for SCID apart from those who are clear by perentage. I will now be having them done again as it is cheaper to have them done for combined SCID, CA and LFS than just CA and LFS!
I am sure there must be SCID, CA and LFS to a small degree in the part bred population.
Barbara |
| Lynda |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 12:02:48 PM
We have experienced SCID in a Part bred foal. We did not know that the pure bred stallion was a carrier, and I am going back years ago. It was only when we crossed the bloodlines that we had the SCID foal, which was the result of PBA to PBA. The mare had had two normal foals by the same stallion but the third was SCID.
Yes, SCID is in the Anglo and Part breds, but not to a great extent.
I truly feel that prior to any stallion or mare being awarded premium status, they should be compulsory tested for any hereditary disease, and the facts published. |
| Vygoda |
Posted - 20 Apr 2011 : 09:45:04 AM
Testing for Lavender Foal Syndrome should also be considered imo, as well as SCID and CA.
Please look LFS up.
Thanks,
Jane
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| Tomos |
Posted - 19 Apr 2011 : 8:56:18 PM
Hi Rachelle, both of our Hispano Arabe stallions are SCID tested and clear,
Mandy |
| pintoarabian |
Posted - 19 Apr 2011 : 7:34:00 PM
Mine are all tested clear for both SCID and Cerebellar Abiotrophy. I felt it was important to have the genetic tests done and I'm glad I did, for my own peace of mind and to guarantee no affected foals. |
