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conkey
Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 3:06:17 PM hello, im wirintg a piece on scids and purebred show horses for university and was wonderign whether someone knew a lot about it or where i could go to find more about it. I was wondering about elements of it such as is scids seen in certain bloodlines? is the disease linked to breeding for certain traits?
and also elements of showing such as how are show horses graded? what traits are bred for/win in the showring many thanks
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Pashon2001
Posted - 24 Feb 2011 : 5:29:24 PM What I said about legs being ignored was very tongue in cheek, I meant that in the showing world little or no emphasis is being put on the most important part of the horse Its LEGS!!!! This doesnt mean that I agree that wonky legged horses should win that happen to have extreme heads, necks and toplines!!! But I think in the top end of the showing world the head over the door is the most important part............. Have a scout round the net at the famous show producing stallions available for stud....most have pictures of just head and neck, or maybe head, neck and body...........very few show their legs!!! I am not saying they all have awful legs, that would not be true, but that as far as advertising to prospective customers are concerned, the head and neck seems the most important part to clinch a sale.
Aremeriel
Posted - 24 Feb 2011 : 1:17:19 PM Barbara,
I think it's wonderful that you have tested your horses, and I also think it's wonderful if all SEs tested have been clear. I must admit that I haven't tested mine, but I only have a 14 year old gelding (Egyptian/Polish), so it's not much point in testing him. ;) My comment about SE breeders was mostly due to the same comments you probably have read on another forum to the effect of "no need to test SEs as SCID doesn't exist in SEs, if you test an SE and it's a SCID carrier, it's not an SE." ;)
barbara.gregory
Posted - 24 Feb 2011 : 12:22:11 PM Aremeriel,
I agree that many SE breeders don't test as "it doesn't exist in SEs". However, those of us that have had their horses tested have all been clear as far as I am aware.
I used GR Amaretto on two of my mares, Crown Princess and Shalique. Shalique was on loan when I tested the mares and the loanee didn't send the hair sample I requested so I had my breeding stock tested without her (although I did eventually receive the sample far too late to send with the others. She will be done when I send off the CA samples).
I had 5 horses tested, four SEs and one golden cross stallion. The following are the horses I had tested
Spanish Crusader (golden cross stallion), Moataz al Nakeeb (SE stallion), Crown Princess, Siamora and Shaheeraah (SE mares). My SE stallion, Einstein (GR Amaretto/Crown Princess) is clear by virtue of his parentage: (The Esher's have had most, if not all, of their SEs tested and they have all been clear, Amaretto is tested clear.)
Barbara
conkey
Posted - 24 Feb 2011 : 12:03:21 PM thanks to all for your help! im checking out those websites now. I used to work at an arab stud and i thought it was so intresting and theyre so beautiful, but unfortunately i didnt learn as much about them as i would have liked! when you say that in showing the legs are ignored in a way, does most of the emphasis go on the head and neck and movement then? so would parents be chosen more on this trait and their general sucess? thanks again!
Aremeriel
Posted - 24 Feb 2011 : 08:19:09 AM
Originally posted by conkey is the disease linked to breeding for certain traits?
As Pashon said, it's not linked to certain traits, at least not that we know of. Since it's a genetic disease though, the genes for SCID might be placed close to certain traits, but it's not known which ones, nor if they are physically visible.
As has been said, SCID exists in all blood lines, however, rare in the Straight Egyptian. On that note I know of quite a few breeders of Straight Egyptian blood lines who refuse to believe that SCID can exist in those lines and therefore I fear that fewer Egyptians are tested than the general population.
Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 11:04:45 PM SCID is very rare in straight Egyptian bloodlines as the only known cases were in a line that was not used extensively with very few modern horses tracing back to the suspect horse/horses.
Barbara
Pashon2001
Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 5:38:38 PM You can learn all you need to know about the physical side of SCID at Vetgen website. SCID is seen in all bloodlines, although certain ones have a higher incident of it but only because their gene pool is smaller. As far as I know it is not linked to certain traits in the arabian, but in saying that a carrier horse of extremely high quality and having good traits may be used more dominantly than his/her lesser quality non carrier horse. But that does not mean his/her good traits are linked. Arabian show horses are not graded in this country (if thats what you mean). For showing standard there are several articles on the net of what predesposes a good horse, many will agree or argue with these. The modern showing arabian is far from his original desert cousin. The basics would be however, pretty dished head, large eyes that are well set, broad forehead with tapered muzzle, long 'hooky' neck. Smooth body with level topline and high tailset. Good movement is important. If the judge can be bothered to look good legs also (but often the requirement is only to have four, but won't get into that discussion right now lol)
