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| nn |
Posted - 15 Nov 2010 : 1:27:31 PM
Question
Were have all the foal buyers gone?
We have advertised a premium filly PB foal on here, no calls.
Horse and hound, no calls.
Horse quest,no calls.
Any ideas?
Nicky |
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| LYNDILOU |
Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 09:40:39 AM
Lovely   |
| doug ault |
Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 08:53:11 AM
she forgot to say 'slimmer, fitter' |
| gabriele ault |
Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 08:47:00 AM
I knew Doug would come useful one day - scanner still not working but he had the idea of photographing the photos!!!!! They both show my stallion Rubondo (Ibn Shaker I x Kayda by Kaisoon). The one jumping was taking in 1983 and the one in the showring was taken in 1984 (funny enough the judge was Major Maxwell). Please excuse the poor performance of the handler who could not run _ a much younger me.
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| gabriele ault |
Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 07:58:24 AM
Wow!!! I agree, that is a lovely example of a well constructed horse full of type. I love Nazeer and all his offspring. Years ago when I started with Arabs in Germany all our horses were either granddaughter or sons of Kaisoon, Ghazal, Hadban Enzahi with a bit of Marbach / Polish lines thrown in to start off. Their conformation was very good. OK not the extreme heads of nowadays but their temperament and ride-ablity was next to none. Maybe I am too old fashioned but I long for these qualities again. All our horses had to prove themselves in the showring and under saddle. I would love to put some photos on but our scanner just died. Will do it as soon as problem is solved. |
| LYNDILOU |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 9:25:22 PM
I agree with you, it IS very subjective. what the answer is I have no Idea, yes the old Arabs would most likely be down the line in today's ring, just as our ancestors might be in a beauty pageant of today, time has a way of evolving our perception of beauty. I will always go back to the picture I posted of Gladys Brown Edwards lovely Nazeer as a template for type ( well my interpretation of type anyway)
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| gabriele ault |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 7:04:04 PM
I totally agree with what you say. Even type is a VERY subjective issue. Obviously an Arab should NOT look like a warmblood but there are so many different interpretations. Look at some oldies that were the foundation of what we have now, people would throw them out of the ring. A Ghazal, Kaisoon, Hadban Enzahi etc would not stand a chance and where would we be without them. It seems now that ring pressence is all that counts. I do not want to say that some of the contemporary show champions are not beautiful and worthy champions but not all of them. Type is not just an extreme head but extreme heads can go with good conformation. But there is so much more to an Arabian horse.
I was just wondering whether a committee consisting not only judges being used to the modern type but also some oldies, a horse vet, a general horse person non Arabian orientated, judges etc not only from the in hand circle but also the ridden would be fairer. It is difficult to express in English exactly what I mean but a good Arabian horse should not be rejected because of fashion. And a badly constructed etc Arabian should not be pushed to the top because of fashion. |
| LYNDILOU |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 6:49:31 PM
Without doubt , but you are always going to get differing opinions of what is high quality and what is not. it is a fine line we walk but you have to except that to be a good Arabian horse it must have the look of an Arabian, not a warmblood performance horse, it must have the type that made it famous in the first place. the desert type that will not only carry itself as an Arabian should , one that will do what it was designed for, to carry a man fearlessly into battle, on legs of dense bone, large nostrils to take in huge amounts of air into lungs that are set within a deep chest. I could go on and on . but as I said its a fine line and not all breeders want to continue breeding this type of Arabian. |
| gabriele ault |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 6:27:54 PM
Lyndilou you wrote "A true and dedicated breeder can not get to their desired goals by keeping inferior stock and breeding it on. But sadly some dont recognise inferior breeding stock.
It is when inferior stock is thought by barn blind owners to be of amazing quality that the substance and type continue to disappear from the Arabian horse, so flooding an already sinking market. Are we learning and moving forward? I dont think so "
My thoughts on that
1. In Germany some years ago ALL prospective breeding stallions had to pass 2 tests. First of all the stallion licencing (not as it is now)where all stallion were presented in hand and free running over two days. After the first day quite a few did not make the grade and then more were thrown out on the second day. First of all they had to pass a veterinary examination, were measured (too small or too tall were thrown out)and anything with health problems did not make the grade. On average at least 30-50% of the presented stallions were not permitted to be used at stud.
After a stallion has passed this first hurdle he had to pass 100 day trial ridden test (free jumoping, show jumping, dressage, cross country etc and also points for temperament etc.). Only if a stallionpassed both tests he was allowed to be used at stud.
All mares had to qualify on a points system and if they did not reach the required standard you were not allowed to breed from them.
Unfortunately this system was open to abuse and favouritism, big breeders got through on the nod and small breeders or a person with just one horse and limitted funds had hardly a chance. The results in the stallion licencing was also influenced by whatever type was in fashion at the time and some really good horses got rejected.
My question now is what do you all think about this system. Would it help the situation concerning the market by raising the standard of what is being bred? |
| ella |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 5:20:06 PM
The local shows around me are glad of any competetors in Arab classes, & it's lovely for those who have gone along to spectate if a few 'top' horses turn up. I find local clubs to be very supportive & proud of any members with horses good enough to compete at high levels.
When I used to take my Nat.Champ along, he was sometimes placed down the line, but without my entries the classes would have been smaller & less interesting for all. It's not all about pot-hunting but about supporting your local club, schooling & maybe having a go at some other classes. |
| alistair leslie |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 3:06:16 PM
A lot depends on the handlers and judges
They can revive the scene |
| kate b |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 1:07:15 PM
I took an arab of mine to a local show (arab class) where he came second (there were only two in the class!)I was told he was too flamboyant and showy and that I should take him to a 'proper' arab show.... Which I did later on that year and he won reserve BNC!! So that was the first and last time I supported my local show!
Kate |
| alex_22 |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 12:42:45 PM
sorry to keep the digression going...
But I would love to know which shows have poorly attended Arabs as the shows I go to always have flaming hundreds!!! In fact the last class I entered which was the ridden part/Anglo and pure Arabs at the north west championships has 36 entries! (needless to say I wasn't placed!!)
Could you please tell me which shows need supporting in the part bred Arab department as it's always nice to get a rosette!!! lol |
| navaho621 |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 12:32:55 PM
I wouldn't worry about what you take, i think most local shows would be glad of the support to be honest. Lets face it Arab classes are so poorly attended anyway the chances are there would only maybe be you & at a push 2 others in the class, everyone gets a rosette, job done! I went to Cardigan county show last year, 3 Arab classes, 9 entries over all....1 bothered to turn up! Makes me quite mad that people moan that there are no classes at local level yet no one bothers to support them.
Anyway, i fear we have digressed a little...
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| SueB |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 12:31:09 PM
I think you are right Kate, there is an unwritten etiquette that it is not the done thing to take your A Show Champion to say the local riding club show. Where Lynda attended is I think affiliated, so I see no problem in her supporting this show.
To attend affiliated spring shows and then C shows is OK and these are what I will do, but that's only with a yearling filly.
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| alex_22 |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 12:23:01 PM
I have found that even at local shows there are different levels of competition. At one local show I used to do my mare won everything which was nice but unfair to the others that showed there as they never got a look in!!!
Now I compete still locally but at a show that attracts more quality animals so its a competition to get placed! I do try and support all my local shows but I still want to have fun and at one show I never got placed in 2 years of showing there (despite beating a horse from that show at a qualifier), I would never go again as it was nothing to do with her quality just that I didn't know the judges!!!!
But this is just my experience as a novice shower ( I've only started showing since I bought my first horse a few years ago). |
| LYNDILOU |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 11:39:59 AM
maybe there is kate, I dont take my champions to local shows, I think that would be too naughty |
| katefox1812 |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 11:34:27 AM
I suppose maybe it depends a bit on what horse one takes to a local show? I mean, it might be perhaps a bit unfair to take a proven top show horse (a national/international winner, say) to a small local show?
But I don't really know - is there some sort of unwritten etiquette on this? |
| weirton |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 10:23:39 AM
Oh so true, Doug, and what a good job we don't all like the same one. No fighting over it!
Anyway judges aren't always right (even they can't agree so how could they be). Sorry judges but you're only human after all.
Jean |
| george |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 10:19:07 AM
 We plan to do as many as we can again next year, I love it, just wish we'd done the "showing thing" much sooner I used to be so nervous at the thought of it  And we will continue to go to all the local little shows that we can, otherwise there's not going to be any Arab classes left to go to, at one local show I think we converted an acquaintance as he is now seriously thinking of buying an Arab! So we should keep showing them all what they are missing |
| doug ault |
Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 06:50:10 AM
It does not matter where you show ,or at what level, you always go home with the best horse... |
| debs |
Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 8:57:10 PM
" My filly is not to everyones taste!!! She's very bling with much chromesaying that I love her very much, so who cares. "
Sounds lovely!!! Just my type!
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| SueB |
Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 5:47:21 PM
You shouldn't worry what folk say, everyone has a moan after a show if they don't win. People soon forget so should you.
It's great being slightly deaf I can't hear the moans now
At least you made the effort to go to a show Lynda!! wish more would then some shows might be saved, good for you. |
| LYNDILOU |
Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 5:07:41 PM
No I was talking about local shows Sue , of course you wont be damned for affiliated shows , but getting to them when you have horses at home can sometimes be a problem.
For that reason and the fact I didnt want to leave a heavily pregnant mare for too long,
I went to one show last season , a local agricultural show , but heard about the comments made by people who didn't do so well |
| SueB |
Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 4:42:41 PM
Competing at affiliated Arab shows and C shows, shouldn't be classed as pot hunting by anyone. It's fair game for us all and these shows are open to anyone.
I'm fed up of staying at home and so wanting to join in. My filly is not to everyones taste!!! She's very bling with much chrome saying that I love her very much, so who cares.
We all need to get out there and support our own Brit shows. |
| LYNDILOU |
Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 4:31:48 PM
And not so easy to get to either Sue , trouble is if you go to local shows with your beautiful arabs , people accuse you of pot hunting! instead of saying thanks for your support and representation of the breed you just cant win these days , your damned if you do and your damned if you dont. |
