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| Nichole Waller |
Posted - 09 Mar 2010 : 7:58:33 PM
I know there have been a few healthy debates on here recently about Parelli but what are people's thoughts on IH?
I was thinking (just thinking at this stage) about taking Ozzy up to Nicole & Adam in Cirencester for a few days of ground work training and some lessons on long lining and flatwork. They have both been trained by Kelly Marks and the Monty Roberts methods and their website and their book (which i've just read) show some good results.
I can't find an instructor local who has an understanding of Arab's, if anyone can recommend one near Epping / Ongar in Essex please PM me. 
Be great to hear your views. |
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| Theo |
Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 9:17:42 PM
For the Essex area, I'd definately recommend Max. He talks the talk and definately walk the walk... He holds the MR Advanced Certificate, which puts him on the same level as Kelly Marks, Michael Peace, Crawford Hall and Hector Valadez. The only 5 people in the world that I know of that have attained this 'qualification'.
Great teacher and very approachable! No messing!
T x (Retired RA! ) |
| angelarab |
Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 8:35:59 PM
I love Richard Maxwell, when i am suffering with self doubt in my abilities and relationship with Baz, simply picking up his book reminds me of how to go about my time with Baz, I like taking bit and bobs from all the people adapting with my horses needs. would love to have a session with him |
| Roseanne |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 6:32:58 PM
Hi Ella,
Thank you for the link. It's obviously going to take ages for me to read! So what I'll say for now is (and I have personal experience of this), when one member of a family breaks out of the traces and rejects the family 'history' and mythology and rules - as Monty did - they are used as scapegoats. They can be demonised and made into heretics by those who can't see, accept or recognise their own part either as victims or in perpetuating abuse.
What I can say is that I found Monty's rejection of his father's horse training methods (the accepted methods of the time) inspiring and especially so in his subsequent search for something he found less brutal (this is according to how HE saw it - and his feelings and perceptions are as valid as anyone's) he went in to the wild and observed how horses behaved among themselves.
My understanding is (and I've used what I believe in about his findings in the successful techniques I use on youngsters) that if you utilise the horse's mind and psychology to engage the animal's cooperation you get a real bond that is a breeding ground for a great relationship in which training is done with understanding on both sides, for the benefit of the human - who else!!
I am interested in the writing you link to, but I don't really need to hear the ins and outs of the Roberts family's differences, or to be convinced by people who resent Monty Roberts' accusations against his father. These familial rows have, and still do, gone on for millennia.
I'm interested to read it though, and I will. And if I am captivated by it, I'll certainly say so! |
| BeckyBoodle |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 5:57:50 PM
He does full consultations where he comes out for a number of hours. Or he will come out to you to for shorter sessions (I assume as long as it is not too far). I definitely want his help with Eba.
B |
| loosefur |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 3:45:46 PM
I presume you can book in for an individual session with RM at his place as you can book him to come out to visit - best just to email the office on the address on his website... they usually get back to you very quickly. If I was closer he'd be the first person I'd take a youngster to. |
| Nichole Waller |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 3:07:10 PM
Thanks all for your great comments.
I don't have any problems with Ozzy, i just need to bring his education up a level. I really want to know how to do some more ground work exercises including long lining (although we don't have a school to practise in) and especially work to make him use his back more (he is dipped in the back) so probably pole work.
I'd also like some lessons for both me and him. Probably good if the instructor could ride Ozzy for the first 30 min and then me for the next 15 - 20 min.
Does Richard Maxwell give lessons? He is definitely closer to me than Adam & Nicole.
I know of him as my brother-in-law was in the army with him (in the mounted guards) before he started his training with Monty Roberts.
I'll look him up on the Internet unless anyone has contact details for him (RM) and can PM them to me.
Thanks all for your help.
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| loosefur |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 2:44:14 PM
Originally posted by ella
How funny that some see the different versions of NH as so very different when if you look at the mentors of the current practitioners they are all the same.
To me there are only very small differences between the programs, I think Richard Maxwell is great, especially now that he's more 'Parelli' than 'Monty' inspired.
Why do you think RM is more Parelli inspired these days? That's certainly not the impression I got when he came to ours for a day last year. He is distinctly his own man, no entourage, no fanfares, combines the stuff he learned in the Household Cavalry with what he learned from Monty and his own experiences since then. I'd highly recommend him to anyone - if I was closer I'd probably pitch a tent on his lawn and never leave. |
| jasjmm |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 1:20:24 PM
I think it just amounts to "don't follow anything blind". Take the best of all the training methods and find your own way. |
| ella |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 1:06:20 PM
How funny that some see the different versions of NH as so very different when if you look at the mentors of the current practitioners they are all the same.
To me there are only very small differences between the programs, I think Richard Maxwell is great, especially now that he's more 'Parelli' than 'Monty' inspired.
Roseanne - you find MR's book inspirational (it is), but have you seen this?
http://www.horsewhispersandlies.com/id3.html |
| Roseanne |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 10:37:31 AM
I think the name has it really - Intelligence with horses. I know that's what Richard Maxwell aims for - I used his and Monty Roberts' methods to do great things with a number of youngsters in the past ten years, including reversing loading phobias.
I think it's useful to stop thinking about horses as being animals you have to make do things, and you have to try to get knowledge of the horse's psychology. That gives you understanding of so much the horse does, does wrong in human eyes, doesn't want to do, finds difficult etc. When you take that understanding and adapt it into your training, you're having a go at 'intelligent horsemanship'. I don't think there is a bible about IH as a brand, and that's where, although I've been hugely inspired by Monty Roberts and his movement (read his autobiography!) I hate the commercial face it now has. It's been hijacked by the profit brigade where it was once all about stopping people beating horses into submission... |
| Gemma |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 10:20:32 AM
I’ve had two experiences with Recommended Associates, and both have been pleasant! Maj was with an RA down in Wale to be brought back into work ready to go to her new home. This RA is also the girlfriend of our farrier so I knew of her and how she worked. And she had done a nice job of bringing Maj back into work.
When I got Maj home and settled in, I realised that getting her going was going to be a bit tricky. She’s a very opinionated little mare, and I felt over my head. So I called upon the services of our local RA to act as a 2nd pair of hands/eyes and give me the support that I needed to do it.
So my experience of IH has been positive. I’m not keen on Monty myself, but I like the way that Kelly works. Maybe it’s the more reserved British thing?!
However, I didn’t use our local RA just because she was an RA. I used her because I knew of her and the positive work she does. I have a friend who used her to help back her horse, so she came with a good recommendation. I would use ANYONE who I thought would work well for me and the horse in question. If I couldn’t have used Suzanne (our RA) then I was hoping to get hold of the lady who taught me to ride many moons ago. A BHS-trained instructor, but a sensible lady with a sense of humour (and has also ridden and worked with arabs so knows how they operate).
I don’t buy into labels. If the trainer is good and I like the way they work, I will use them. But I won’t use anyone unless either I’ve seen them in action, or they come with a good recommendation from someone whose opinion I value.
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| Karon |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 09:27:38 AM
I've had an RA out to mine for various things and was very impressed. She got Rash long reining nicely without freaking out at the reins behind her - I dn't long rein that much but feel it's useful to know how to do it properly and Rash's reaction to the reins was so extreme to start with that I think getting her used to htem will relate to other areas too. And the RA was very calm and quiet, ribbed me a little about Arabs but all very good natured and said how lovely my horses are. She's coming back next month to do some work with mine.
I would love the chance to have a course or 3 with Adam and Nicole, too, as I really like what I've heard about them
Oh, and an ex-RA (gone on to develop his own method of working so doesn't call himself an RA now) got Shefali loading nicely for me on a clinic I took her to, no hassle or stress and a horse who loaded well at the end of it. Sadly I didn't keep the work up which was my own fault, but I now know how to go about it with my own horses. |
| mogwai |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 07:37:51 AM
Who are Adam and Nicole?
I've been to a Richard Maxwell learning day (at susie's, cheers susie, great day!!! Having any more? ) and he's great. Very down to earth, works well with the horses and gets fantastic results. Very easy to learn from too, he has an excellent teaching style.
Ros |
| Cinnypony |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 07:12:59 AM
Having been to Adam and Nicole's with Cinny for a 3 day course - 1 day ground work and 2 day riding clinic, would definitely recommend - amongst their pones is an arab, so they know about arabs
Also they have all sorts of influences, so v interesting.
Finally they taught me that it's a good thing to question why you are being taught things as they do not want you to follow blindly.
Susi
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| moatside |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 05:54:19 AM
Having experienced both Kelly Marks & Monty Roberts working with one of mine and I would not hesitate to use again - MR is a bit of an aquired taste but , IMO - he is good with the hoorses. I have heard very good reports on both Richard Maxwell and Adam & Nicole. |
| debs |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 03:58:08 AM
I had Max up to my old boy when he suddenly wouldnt load. I couldnt work out what probem was. He was always soooo good i was worried.
After checking his back and body etc out he said he had a problem in his shoulder and it would have hurt when unloading.
He then had him in and out of the trailer about 50 times. Said i had to practice daily, which I did for about a week(!)
Never ever had a problem again.
Was a lovely, quiet, gentle man. |
| phoenixbruka |
Posted - 09 Mar 2010 : 11:03:12 PM
Max definately works with Arabs worked wonders with my Anglo and I'm doing a 2 day masterclass with my 4 yr old purebred in may
I couldnt recommend him highly enough
susie
Edited to say - Max is NOT a "parelli" person he was a household cavalry instructor,is bhs qualified and studied NH with Monty roberts origionally , so you definatelt get the best of all worlds!!
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| zooscat |
Posted - 09 Mar 2010 : 10:01:44 PM
I have a friend who worked with Adam and liked his way of being with difficult horses. I also really like Kelly Marks and her presence with horses. Not at all keen on Monty Roberts - seen him twice now. Def wont again. Richard Maxwell has had good effect on a very scared Arab youngster belonging to an aquaintance. |
| BeckyBoodle |
Posted - 09 Mar 2010 : 8:00:40 PM
I am aiming to do a groundwork/long lining course with Richard Maxwell in Helions Bumpstead - Essex/Suffolk border - at the beginning of April. I understand he has worked with Arabs. I am just trying to solve the loading/travel connundrum.
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