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| angel2002 |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 7:53:19 PM
I have finally got the proof for all those naive people who thought Hamied was buying their fillies and mares for his own stud in Kuwait that he is indeed A DEALER!!
I am sure most of you remember my topic about my mare PAS Shabina, the filly I bred, who was sold by her owners to the 'lovely' Hamied. She was sold within weeks of being shipped to Kuwait in January, it has taken nearly 11 months to find her!
I have spoken with her new owner, who seems to be a very nice man, he bought her in February from a 'Kuwaiti businessman' and seems to be very glad that he now has contact with her breeder. Not as glad as I am that I have found her ! My mare PAS Shabina is safe, well and 8 months pregnant.
NOW TELL ME HAMIED ISN'T A DEALER !!!!
I have to say a big THANK YOU to Karen , without your help I might never have found Storm (PAS Shabina), you have been there for me from the start, never once bottled it when the going got tough, I owe you big time mate 
I also have to say thank you to Ismail for giving me the new owners contact details and Salman for trying his best to find Storm for me, you were both so very kind.
Mandy x |
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| Smiler |
Posted - 17 Nov 2009 : 12:11:03 PM
I dont breed so thankfully have nothing to sell to these horrible people but what i can't understand is why are they offering so much more then the transport fees on top surely they can buy cheaper there side ?
surely they have enough arabs and bloodlines over there and not need to buy from uk it just seems so weird ,
be interesting to find out how much this guy bought storm for to see what there making etc , can you also not contact the police and say your being harrassed by these guys obviously its the same ring trying to get her and what if they get someone to buy her from england for themselfs but its not its for them if that makes sense that would be harder to stop if you thought it was a good uk home but its not , i would be wary of anyone now wanting to buy her unless you know them  |
| angel2002 |
Posted - 17 Nov 2009 : 11:05:31 AM
Thanks Karen for sharing that
At lease people will be aware of the kind of stories these dealers are telling just to get hold of fillies or mares!!
There are some bona-fide dealers out there who WILL NOT hide the fact that they are buying with the sole intention of
re-selling once out of the country, at least with them you know where you stand when you make that decision to sell to these people.
It's the dealers that are liars who need to be stopped! If these people are so honest and nice why do they have to tell such awful lies to con people into selling? Why have they had/got British women (Who ought to be bloody ashamed of themselves lying to people!!) doing their dirty work??
Shall I tell you why.......Because these very naive people, who are made to believe their horse has been 'head hunted' by a Sheik or for a 'new stud' etc etc....wouldn't sell to them if they really knew the truth!
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| karen d |
Posted - 16 Nov 2009 : 7:01:47 PM
Just to confirms mandys last post, i, for the last two weeks have been approached by 4 different middle eastern men wanting to buy the filly i have advertised.
They are very very persistant
The 1st one, once he heard she had polish lines, said he was setting up a new stud in poland, so she would be going back to her roots!!!
The second one was wanting her for his new stud in Kuwait, same story as usual.
the third one was buying for his friends stud in kuwait, and has repeatedly called me, asking time and time again to buy my filly, even after being told that i would not sell to him
He has now offered me £1000 over the asking price for her, and seems quite amazed that i refuse to sell to him.
Last but not least is the gentleman who has called me twice now, saying its for his new stud, and also a present for his wife as she loves arabian horses!!!!
These men are extreemly persistant and dont seem to take no for an answer!!!
They now seem to be buying weanlings too apart from the usual 3/4/5 yr old mares.
They could offer me 10 times the amount she is advertised for and they would still not get her!!! |
| angel2002 |
Posted - 16 Nov 2009 : 5:01:02 PM
BE WARNED!!
These dealers, not just Hamied are now calling about weanling fillies that are for sale!!!
The latest story is wanted as present for my wife in UAE'!!!!
Amazing!!!! |
| angel2002 |
Posted - 16 Nov 2009 : 09:07:09 AM
Sue, there is someone who comes on this forum, who I am sure you know well, that sold a filly to Hamied, they knew he was a dealer as he told them that their filly was going to be re-sold once in Kuwait, they had the truth from him, took the money and sold to him.....That was their choice.
The point being made here is that he isn't always honest as to where these fillies and mares will end up! Don't you think that it is right to make people aware of this? There are people out there that have been taken in by lies, told not only by Hamied but by the British women who have been buying on his behalf!!
I don't care too much for the people that sold to him knowing he was a dealer, they were obviously desperate for the money and didn't care too much about what happened to their horses....Out of sight out of mind.....BUT I do care about the poor people that were lied to, thinking their horse was really going to some fancy new stud in Kuwait and truth is, their horse was bought with the sole intention of re-selling it as soon as it stepped foot on the sand!
I have been VERY LUCKY, I have found Storm and the new owner seems very pleased with her and willing to keep in touch with me, it could very easily have had a different outcome! I have seen photographic proof of what can happen to horses out there and it isn't nice.....
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| SueB |
Posted - 15 Nov 2009 : 11:07:45 PM
Not knowing the 'English women buyers' would it be possible to pm me in confidence their name please. I only ever sell foals so possibly they would not approach me, but it would be good to be aware.
Thankyou.
I think you have to make a conscious decision to accept that you will never ever sell anything you have or bred to be absolutely sure of what happens to it's future, otherwise you will run the gauntlet like most of us do in finding the right homes. That is not always so easy.
I once sold a filly to a home that ended up as a terrible rescue case that I got involved with.
The promise was made to me that my filly bred would have the best of everything etc. I was too late to save my own bred filly but did save others by helping to highlight this case.
I was lied to by a perfectly normal sounding girl in this country who had ideas above her income. This was my worst and only really bad experience of a home gone wrong.
If you breed horses then you have to try your best to find the best home going, unfortunately in this day and age it is hard enough to get any home offered for a horse for sale, hence people do and always will sell to the Hamieds of this world. Maybe a better way is to talk with these guy's rather than alienate them. That way you may be able to find horses if owners so wish.
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| karen d |
Posted - 15 Nov 2009 : 5:08:34 PM
i dont think anyone on here is saying dont sell your horses to kuwaiti dealers, the whole thing about this episode, which is still going on, is that these men are Liars
they have duped people into thinking that their beloved mares will will be going to fantastic new studs with ceramic tiled walls and air conditioning, to start wonderful new bloodlines, and yes some people have believed them, and they are now very worried about what has happened to their horses.
There are also the other caring people who have sold horses to the english women buyers,who have conned them, who are now understandably very concerned for the welfare of the animals.
And there are sadly the other people who have knowingly sold to these people, without a care in the world where the animals end up, as long as they get the money in their hands. that is up to them
Yes sueb, as you said if people want to sell to these men, then so be it, but what about the people who have been conned by these people. |
| weirton |
Posted - 15 Nov 2009 : 5:03:54 PM
Certainly horses sometimes have to be sold, and no-one can guarantee a home for life, but surely we must all try our best to sell to someone we think we can trust to sell on to a genuine person if things go wrong. Sadly I've learned over a lifetime to trust no-one and you won't be far wrong. One of the most reliable home-finders I have encountered was in fact a dealer, a very fussy lady. Not many around like her these days.
IMO your responsibility as an owner/keeper of animals (because that's what it is, a responsibility), is to give it the best life you can while it's with you and if for any reason you sell on, to ensure you are comfortable with the new owner. From then on it is their responsibilty and its future life must be on their conscience.
Jean |
| SueB |
Posted - 15 Nov 2009 : 11:14:24 AM
I agree with Pashon here.
Wouldn't it be great that if every horse you sold stayed in that home. Sadly life is not like that. I have sold to wonderful homes and my homebreds are still there. Some have been sold on and again found brilliant homes. Once you have sold your horse it does not belong to you anymore so you have little power to control where it ends up.
People get ill, have accidents, lose jobs, die, get divorced, get depressed. All sad reasons that will force them to part with horses. From years of noticing these reason for life changes, divorce seems to rank very highly on bad decision making.
I think if you are so worried about where a horse you once owned or bred is going, then the only answer is not to sell it on to anyone. If this had happened in the beginning with this mare then Angel would not have had the heartache she seems to have had now.
This guy is now so well know as a dealer ( I have no qualms about dealers, there are good ones!)if people want to sell to him then that must be up to them?
Sunday morning sermon according to Sue |
| angel2002 |
Posted - 15 Nov 2009 : 09:34:41 AM
I have to agree with Keren, My 16 yr old mare (Storms mother)was bought by me aged 3 and I promised her breeder/owner that she would have a home for life....I MEANT EVERY WORD! I still own her and would eat baked beans for the rest of my life to keep her.
I also have a 22 year old gelding, again I bought him as a yearling, promising him a home for life and I still own him too.
Storm included, I now know where all of the foals that I have bred are, how many people can say that? If you don't care whether the horses you breed live or die then don't breed them!
I would also expect that if a buyer promised a home for life and their circumstances changed they would at least have the decency to call the person who sold them the horse and offer the horse back if that's what was agreed!
Some people do not give a dam about their horses or where they end up, all they see are '£' signs
Sorry but I am not one of them, I might not have owned Storm when she was sold to the dealer but in my eyes I am her breeder and it was my responibility to make sure she was safe!
If my circumstances changed so much that it was possible I might have to give them up I would beg, steal or borrow to keep them with me...And I mean that! |
| MinHe |
Posted - 14 Nov 2009 : 8:50:24 PM
Originally posted by Pashon2001
Just a thought for the day........If you sell horses, which most people do at some point in their lives, do you really expect it to remain in that same home for the rest of its life (bearing in mind it didnt remain in yours).
If I find the right buyer, yes.
Keren |
| Pashon2001 |
Posted - 14 Nov 2009 : 8:18:39 PM
Just a thought for the day........If you sell horses, which most people do at some point in their lives, do you really expect it to remain in that same home for the rest of its life (bearing in mind it didnt remain in yours). Whether it be in this country or abroad does not make its life happy, healthy, static or easily traceable in my opinion. And before I get slated I would like to say that I sell horses on a regular basis, and as much as I would like to think they remain where I sell them I appreciate that most of the time they don't. |
| angel2002 |
Posted - 14 Nov 2009 : 5:06:24 PM
Believe me no-one is happier than me now I have found my mare BUT there are a few questions that need answers, especially if it will help to stop anyone else going through what I have.
As an example - There was a lovely grey 6yr old mare bred by a top stud that was shipped to Kuwait and I have found that she was offered for sale on a Kuwaiti forum!! I don't know who sold her or why, but what if they think that their lovely mare was going to be part of a 'new stud'?
I find it really sad that some people may have been duped by this dealer and the British women who are now acting as 'middle men' for him........ |
| phoenixbruka |
Posted - 14 Nov 2009 : 4:10:26 PM
really glad you've found her, what a relief she's safe and sound
I wouldn't turn yourself inside out trying to find out all the whys and wherefors though, she's safe and thats to be thankful for.
she looks healthy and happy in the photo's and your in touch with her new owner so a happy outcome for all |
| natntaz |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 11:48:32 PM
Me neither. I would feel so guilty. I have sold to people
over here and it has ended up going pear shaped but always
managed to get them back. That sort of distance is way way
to far and i know it would break my heart if i couldnt help
them. |
| MinHe |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 11:42:33 PM
Frankly, I would not sell *at all* to the Middle East. Far too much uncertainty as to what might happen once they get there. At least in the UK there is more possibility of tracking down a horse if things go pear-shaped.
Keren |
| barbara.gregory |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 11:12:20 PM
I am so pleased that Storm is safe and well, Mandy, what a releif for you. She looks a lovely filly, I am sure her new owner is very pleased with her.
I was approached a few times to sell my SE mares to Kuwait but fortunately I didn't think what I was told added up so they are still here. I was told they would be going to the royal stables. As they are very well bred it sounded feasible but I just thought that whoever was buying them would have wanted to see them before agreeing to buy rather than just buying on pedigree. As I was extremely skint at the time having less mouths to feed and some money was very tempting but no way could I do it. Having heard about Storm I am pleased I didn't although I don't think they were going to Hameid.
Well done for sticking with it and glad it had a happy outcome.
Barbara |
| angel2002 |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 9:00:16 PM
New photo's of PAS Shabina in Kuwait.....
This was sent to me by her new owner yesterday, not sure when it was taken.
This was also sent by her new owner yesterday, again not sure when it was taken.
This was taken in February this year.
This was taken in January when she arrived in Kuwait
This was taken in the summer of 2008
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| karen d |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 4:32:47 PM
Yes the women who are buying for hamied, know exactly what they are doing
and yes we did indeed get alot of stick for trying to find out the truth, we were called all sorts of names including being accused of being racist
Mandy has been in turmoil for the past 12 months wondering where storm ended up, and i am so pleased that we have found out that she is one of the lucky ones and has ended up in safe hands
Not so sure of the other mares fate though, and it is STILL going on |
| Goldenmane |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 4:24:24 PM
Well done for persevering, and if I remember also getting a lot of stick from some people. Do the women know the situation?? If so, then I feel like Jean. |
| angel2002 |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 3:24:45 PM
Hear hear Jean!!
Especially the women here in the UK who are working for him by buying arabians on his behalf!! |
| weirton |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 2:43:40 PM
Just as some of us in the UK are shocked and ashamed of the unscrupulous behaviour of some of our fellow countrymen.
Jean |
| angel2002 |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 1:52:21 PM
The lovely Ismail, who so kindly gave me Storms new owners details has just emailed me saying he is very sad at what has happened, so much so that he is going to travel to see Storm and take a video of her so I can see that she really is alive and well!
Just goes to prove that there are some very nice Kuwaiti people who are as shocked as we are at the behaviour of some of their fellow countrymen!! |
| geegee |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 1:20:25 PM
The saying "If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is" springs to mind here....
So glad you have found your mare and that she is in a good home.
I must say that if I ever had to sell one of my horses (only over my dead body  ) and I just heard a rumour about a particular buyer, that would be enough to put me off in the first place. I just wouldn't take the chance.
I guess with some people, money is all that matters  |
| precious |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 12:43:59 PM
Angel well done for keeping looking into it! I must say your mare is very lucky that she is in a good home and how good that you have been able to get in touch with them!!
Again well done |
