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| SallyEllis |
Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 12:43:03 PM
Hi, I was wondering if anybody shows their pure bred arabs in anything other than non arab classes and if so, what classes do you enter and how do you feel they are received by judges? |
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| honey |
Posted - 28 Jun 2009 : 12:20:05 PM
well i have no option either do non breed classes ro don't do anything. so i do stallion inhand classes, jumping and riding classes at min and hope to do dressage too. i plaited him last year and it was disasterous the plaits looked terrible to say the least so the next time i think i will just put a rope plait in used to do it with a welsh pony. will look much tidier and he will still be plaited lol. I don't think it should matter what class you enter you see many other full bred horses enter non breed classes such as tb's and warmbloods and many native so why should an arab be different. |
| SarahA |
Posted - 28 Jun 2009 : 11:14:36 AM
County level showing is a different ball game to local, so i would have to agree and say that an arab wouldnt be well recieved in ridden horse classes, rightly or wrongly they are not the correct type for this class, they would be better in a small hack class, and definately follow the turnout rules at county level, i personally dont think we should assume our horses would /should be treated any differently than the other horses in the same class, at local level i would just say give anything a go and enjoy, you will soon figure out what the judges like, and what your horses excell at:) have a great and lucky day what ever you decide to do, fingers crossed for some red ribbons:) |
| SallyEllis |
Posted - 27 Jun 2009 : 8:04:57 PM
I managed to get the OH to take a camera today but not uploaded them yet, will post if and when there are any decent ones LOL he was such a good boy! |
| Bex |
Posted - 27 Jun 2009 : 8:03:38 PM
Hi Sally
Congratulations! Thats brilliant any pic's?
Becci.x |
| SallyEllis |
Posted - 27 Jun 2009 : 7:28:13 PM
Hi Guys, just a quick update, we entered an Arab class today at a local show and won it, I then lent my boy (2yr old arab gelding) to my friends daughter as she hadnt been able to bring her pony, she took Hadiyah into the young handlers class and came 2nd she then did a fun class with him and came 2nd again, he had qualified for 2 championships one in each ring, and then went on to take reserve supreme champion so he done very well and I am a very proud mum |
| Char3101 |
Posted - 27 Jun 2009 : 12:42:08 PM
Really interesting post!
My mare I had (Charlie's full sister) would go and do local shows all the time, and we probably had 3-4 seasons out of her. At the first show we went to people laughed at the side of the ring at the site of an arab entering the showjumping....needless to say a few overall championships down the line their opinions soon changed, and gradually more and more pure breds appeared on the ground. She competed in XC hunter trails, showjumping, showing i.e ex 14.2 etc.Everyone loved Jade and she changed opinions of many towards arabs sadly she is no longer with us 
I plan to do VHS qualifiers next season with Charlie, I would always show natural as whether in a breed class or not, an arabs an arab. But saying that I do know a few people who show a section a in a m&m class then plait for show hunter lead rein, so maybe you should plait?? Again, typical showing it's what the judge likes on the day. If the top two places are between you and a plaited in a typical exceeding 14.2 class for instance, then maybe they would go for the plaited. Maybe it would be worth speaking to the people who run each show? Maybe they could give some advice on whether the judge would prefer to see a pure bred plaited?
Be great to here how people get on xxxxx |
| maeander09 |
Posted - 27 Jun 2009 : 10:48:53 AM
hi i always do ridden showing with my lad!! and he always does well normally i don't plait but iv qualified him for UK showing championships in July, and I'm gonna plait him this time, so its gonna be quite interesting, i will let ya all know how i get on, last year a did ridden showing all year at my local RC and got 1st and 2Nd's all of the season and under all different judges!! then taking the over all championship at the end of the year!! iv even done family club horse in the past with him it was abit hairy over the jump lol!! but we finished 3rd!! |
| Deboniks |
Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 12:56:01 PM
Sorry I seem to have mislaid the lead that connects my phone to my laptop. Perhaps someone else could put it on for you? I've been so busy, I've probably tucked it away somewhere safe whilst tidying up! When I find it I will post the pictures for you if no one else already has |
| Di Ellis |
Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 11:51:46 AM
Sally,
That sounds a very good idea. I hope Deboniks will put the pics of my mares manes I plaited for you to see on this thread soon.
I used to do everything with my Arab Gelding years ago even working hunter classes - and he had to be placed because he jumped clear - much to the distaste of many judges. After all he was also well known in the hunting field. |
| barbara.gregory |
Posted - 21 Jun 2009 : 09:13:03 AM
A friend of mine who jloved showing loaned my bay filly to show and she showed her in anglo, pure and part bred mixed classes as well as in Arab classes. She arrived at one show and there was a stunning anglo that everyone thought would win and the judge was an "anglo person". My friend was gobsmacked to be pulled in first and told what a lovely filly she had and what lovely manners she had. He told her he would love to take her home with him.
You can win (even when you think you won't)!
Barbara |
| Angelique |
Posted - 21 Jun 2009 : 12:15:35 AM
Hello everybody -- checking in from the USA
My jumper (seen in the performance thread) jumped 90% of his career on the non-Arabian circuits.
He was the only horse in those classes without a banged tail, in bridal cut mane and always
wore his Bedouin halter for win photos. There was never any mistaking him for anything
other than a PB Arabian. We did get some rude comments like HUH? and Arabian but
that soon passed after the first year of competition. Of course, in jumpers you are against
the clock and the clock doesn't play politics --
Not so in hunters over fences. Too be honest, I've yet to see an Arabian get a
fair shake in open circuit hunter O/F classes in the USA, not against the warmbloods.
The judges just don't give them much credit. I'm assuming the Plait is what we call braiding ?? The problem is the classes are so huge, and the horses and/or ponies are pricey and it's just very difficult for the Arabian to get the judges eye. Seems at times we are the breed than everyone loves to dislike. That's how it goes in the USA (USEF zone 10) in Southern California.
I wish I could tell you that things are different on our side of the pond but ------
But, in dressage, we are doing a lot better - we do have purebreds holding their own
against the warmbloods!
Angelique
Los Angeles, California |
| Di Ellis |
Posted - 20 Jun 2009 : 10:00:12 PM
Hi Sally,
I have just read this thread and would comment that when I showed my Arabs ridden at local shows years ago I used to do what I call an "arabian plait" which not only made it look tidy but helped to show off the poll and neck to the relevant judge. If the judge is not an Arab Judge then he/she will appreciate the effort made to make the horse show off its good points and it does look nice when done properly. I have just plaited my two brood mares for you as they have such long manes they get very tangled easily - hope you can see what I mean. Will get Deboniks to post them on here for me.
Di Ellis |
| Roseanne |
Posted - 14 Jun 2009 : 7:52:30 PM
Sounds like Zak has a very sound instinct. Why on earth would any self respecting horse trust two lions (or even monster carrots)!! An intelligent boy obviously. I wouldn't blame him for backing off either!
I must say it is one thing jumping heights at home, but when you get to a ring with very shiney coloured jumps, with sharks teeth and things, and the WIDTH of some of the oxers, it is a bit intimidating for horse and rider!!
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| SallyEllis |
Posted - 14 Jun 2009 : 7:00:56 PM
Aw Bless him, I took my boy to a local show this morning and his eyes were out on stalks at the show jumps and he only had to walk past them LOL so well done for jumping the scary ones. I entered the youngstock class just for experience really and for him to get used to being out and about on his own...it was hilarious when we were waiting to go in the ring there were about 14 welsh A/Bs waiting and us! then a few more bigger horses turned up so I didnt feel so bad but there were about 20 in the class altogether and so although the judge didnt have 2 lots of rosettes she split us up for judging and I am soooo proud to say that we came 5th and all of the others were Welsh section a's and we were the only large horse picked - the judge actually came over and said he is a lovely horse but it was really difficult with all of the others being M&M types but he had a good time behaved apart from not wanting to pose for the photographer and not liking his pink rosette (well he is orange! opps Chestnut!) come on the rest of you lets hear your stories. |
| Songbird |
Posted - 14 Jun 2009 : 5:21:08 PM
Thankyou for your kind comment on my beloved Roseanne we had an INTERESTING morning . I couldn't ride Zak myself because I got kicked by a livery three weks ago and am still nursing a fractured sturnem and two br ribs ( getting much better now thank goodness ) . My young friend Jodie has ben helping me ride the horses and she likes to jump so why not? Zak jumped great at home , never stopping and lovely style but the show AAAAAAAAH ! I've never been there before and it was so professional the jumps looked like a mini olympics!! Zak jumped lovely in the warm up and he valiantly made it over the first two jumps in the ring the he bottled it at the giant lions and the monster carrots but the scariest jump was the enormous sinister Tetleys yeabag men dressed in military suits ! Poor Zak he threw the towel in at that and I don't bl;ame him . I thought it was a small local thing and would have a few filers but it was impressive . I'm going to make sure that next time it's a bit easier as he isn't usually a jumper aaaaaaaaaaaaand may he'll progress to SCARY JUMPS !!! |
| Roseanne |
Posted - 13 Jun 2009 : 10:35:21 PM
He's a beautiful and versatile boy Kit, let us know how you get on!! Good luck. |
| Songbird |
Posted - 13 Jun 2009 : 5:56:30 PM
I usually choose a local riding club show to bring out young pure breds under saddle and they have done very well in riding pony and horse classes as well as riding club with jump classes . I do a crest plait to be respectful and one judge said she'd never thought she would be giving a first to an Arab but this one she would like to take home , that was my mare Jazmyn. My main thing is dressage and though there are unfortunately one or two non Arab friendly judges in my area on the whole most of the judges really seem to like mine. I'm taking my gelding Czak showjumping tomorrow , he's only done it once in public before so lets see how he fares in that ! |
| heatherr |
Posted - 12 Jun 2009 : 11:56:03 PM
To me this is THE way to spread the word to the world of the versatility of the Arab horse. I am doing dressage and open ridden so far this year and have really positive feedback. I don't plait for these classes, but would feel it appropriate to plait for riding horse as a sign of respect - all the other breeds would be expected to be plaited in that one, so agin it shows versatility |
| SallyEllis |
Posted - 12 Jun 2009 : 6:52:13 PM
Good Luck to everybody and maybe we can post if and when we compete in other classes and how we got on? |
| bey_sirocco |
Posted - 12 Jun 2009 : 11:18:15 AM
This is a really interesting thread; as an utter newbie to the arab world it never crossed my mind that we could go and try other things! 
How exciting!
Off to go find my Show Directory issues of Horse and Hound |
| Mazza |
Posted - 11 Jun 2009 : 10:52:36 PM
Hi Sazzlepants - I was 2nd at the Balanced Horse feeds Championships 2 years ago on a pure bred stallion, and he was unplaited. It came down to way of going, ride and conformation, rather than breed or type. So no reason you shouldn't give it a go on your pure-bred. But we did happen to have 'arab-friendly' judges that day, so that was a bonus!
I would say that for any classes affiliated to the British Show Horse Association they should be shown per the standard for the class though, ie plaited. |
| sazzlepants71 |
Posted - 10 Jun 2009 : 11:24:40 AM
Hi sally bearing in mind this is at 'local level' which has benefits as well as downfalls in judging! I Think I WOULD try and go for the traditional plait if it will 'work'
but its interesting to see many others use the running plait and have no problems its good advice about the SJ as well as my reins get stuck!
My point is if RC judges arent entirely sure what they are judging then (breed wise) then surely a well turned out horse with a good show should stand a chance??
Again I dont think a purebred arab would be well accepted in a county show level riding horse class..! but then i am sure ( correct me if i am going completely loony!!) that many years ago some rather well known ladies used to compete their purebreds in Hack classes..???this is going back a while though!!
Like they say, there's no such thing as a bad colour just a bad horse..! food for thought!! |
| Karon |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 6:36:02 PM
I took Ash in the veteran class at a local show 5 years ago - never again! To be fair to the judge she had nothing against Arabs at all, except for the large chestnut one who tried to flatten her during the trot up (ie Ash)!! Ash was bored witless and used the showjumping in the next ring as an excuse to mess about, I don't think the judge was impressed
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| Roseanne |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 4:52:00 PM
I thought there was a turnout 'rule' for riding horse classes in which plaiting (a certain number of plaits too!) is the correct turnout. I love Arabs au naturel and mine don't have half-hogged manes, but if I were seriously going to enter my boy for a riding horse class rather than take him into it for experience, I would go along with the official turnout and plait mane and tail conventionally. We wouldn't expect to be accepted with a western saddle would we? Nothing to stop you, but if you want to compete in that specific class, the judge should be looking at the overall turnout/conformation/rideability/manners etc that is recommended for that class.
I guess what I'm saying is, there are ridden horse classes and 'riding horse' classes. You need to check what's expected formally and go for that unless you're just giving your horse a fun day out for experience. As we know in the Arab world, doing things as professionally as possible increases your chances of success. |
| Silvern_Scepris |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 12:40:05 PM
Originally posted by misterei
Another friend was told off by the judge for clipping her boy, who is normally ridden, and he knew the rules of Arab showing because his wife 'once had an arab',
That was me  , I got told off for having a blanket clip on my boy; I should have clipped him out completely apparently. Never mind that it might not suit my horse to be fully clipped all winter, or that it was early May and he still had a bit of winter coat (he was 15 at the time, so he is allowed that!), or that the horse in 1st also had clip lines still, he was just dark bay so you couldn't see them so prominently  . His wife showed 'Ackneys' apparently and they are like Arabs ain't they?!!
I would show your horse with an Arab plait to look tidy and presentable in non-Arab classes. All local showing should be taken with an open mind and a pinch of salt though and just enjoy it as a nice day out with your horse |
