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| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 12:17:28 AM
Anyone with the Part bred Arab register Vol.V, please can you tell me what it says about JASMINE, foaled around 1930.
and any breeding info.
Thanks
Sue |
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| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 1:25:10 PM
Thanks folks, Glad your still on the case. Very interesting, Plus the report Pelle. Stanbridge Earls Stud, was Capt. Greenway's stud.
Sue |
| Pelle |
Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 1:01:34 PM
In the 1935 Journal of the Arab Horse Society there is an article: Some Arabian Studs in England.
Stanbridge Earls Stud, Romsey.
The article has information about the mares used at stud ,the arab mares Elmelha and Saileh (AHSB vol IV).
Winter Jasmine (GSB vol 25 p.391)by Mootrub Consolide out of Inky by Marco, and thus 25 per cent arabian, proved an interesting experiment. She bore altogether four chestnut colts to Malice : Malasmin,Malarco,Malinky and Malinin. The first-named, at Romsey Show in 1929 was placed first in his class and awarded the Silver Medal for the best yearling and two-year-old. He is doing well for his present owner, both as a player and in polopony classes at Shows, his latest successes being the winning of the third place in his class at the International Horse Show.
Malarco I have unfortunely lost sight of.
Malinin, Commended and Reserve in two strong classes at Islington and the Bath and West in 1933, I have retained as a colt, and he has been allotted the task of siring a New Forest section. The primary object of this section is to breed childrens ponies, but if any of the female progeny grow big enough, they will be retained to fis a Stanbridge type with an admixture of pony blood. This cross of Thoroughbred, Anglo-arab and New forest will be awaited with much interest.
I regard the record of the Anglo-Arab mare Winter Jasmine as somewhat uniqueas, in addition to the above successful stud career, she herself played polo and was in the winning team of The Keyes Cup Tournament in 1933. |
| Melynda |
Posted - 23 Jul 2010 : 12:39:24 PM
she is Anglo and the dam of the Malice off spring Malasmin,with winnings at the International Show Olympia 1934. recorded in the PBAR IV 1948, pg.104.Owned by Brian Hamilton.( and bred by Capt. Greenaway).
Look at my previous reply about Malasmin he is registered in the Anglo-Arab section (Section 1) of "The Anglo Arab and Part Bred Arab Register Vol IV, 1938" page 26. It also states he is registered in the General Stud Book Vol 27 page 1084. His dam Winter Jasmine also an Anglo Arab is also registered in the General Stud Book Vol 25 page 391.
Unfortunately I have not got those two GSB volumes.
Perhaps someone just didn't bother to fill in Jasmine's full name in the show report of 1934?
Winter Jasmine has a solid recorded pedigree in the GSB. |
| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 22 Jul 2010 : 4:34:21 PM
Hi Melynda, Thank you for your imput. I still think that this mare Jasmine was just Jasmine in the pre 1930's and some where they have added the Winter, she is Anglo and the dam of the Malice off spring Malasmin,with winnings at the International Show Olympia 1934. recorded in the PBAR IV 1948, pg.104.Owned by Brian Hamilton.( and bred by Capt. Greenaway).
Cheers Sue |
| Melynda |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 10:50:08 AM
Jasmine (PBAR Vol V) Owner Mrs R. T. Dawson
Winter Jasmine (Anglo Arab registered in Vol 25 p.391 of the General Stud Book) Owner Lord Greenway
Your Jasmine from allbreeds is a Partbred, the older Winter Jasmine born pre 1926 is an Anglo Arab.
I don't think Winter Jasmine would have had a foal at 40 years of age!
Someone must have assumed Winter Jasmine was the same as Jasmine when they entered details on to allbreeds. Allbreeds is not very accurate unless you double check with stud books... |
| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 01:41:04 AM
Thank you Melynda..
This is the querie.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jasmine96
Same owner, but no Winter in front...
Keep at It.
Cheers Sue |
| Melynda |
Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 9:13:27 PM
That explains the dates. The Jasmine in PBAR V (which must be the "newer" PBAR registers produced by AHS) is a different Jasmine to your Winter Jasmine which was an Anglo Arab registered in Vol 25 p.391 of the General Stud Book.
In my old Anglo Arab register part IV (1938) it says that Malasmin (GSB Vol 27 p.1084) was a chestnut male born 1928 by Malice (imp) and out of Winter Jasmine (Anglo-Arab) with the above GSB info.
breeder was Lord Greenway and owner was Brian A. Hamilton, Farnham, Surrey.
Malinky is also in this book chestnut, male born 18 March 1930 (also entered in GSB vol 27 p.1084) same breeder but owner is Mrs R, E, Field Marsham, Bicester, Oxon. |
| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 6:14:22 PM
Hi Melynda, Thanks for the help, this mare is recorded in the results for Aldershot Show 1934 p.104,PBAR Vol.IV as Jasmine, the dam of Malasmin. On the allbreeds she is recorded and else where as WINTER JASMINE. Just wondering which one it should be, and if someone has added the Winter.
Malasmin also won at the International Horse Show Olympia same year 1934 and she is recorded there as Jasmine the dam.
Leaving you the link to Allbreeds http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=WINTER+JASMINE3&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=
Anyone with the PBAR, Vol.V and any idea what it says there.
It might be that the allbreeds is not correct and she is the Winter Jasmine mare and the entry is just wrong...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=JASMINE96&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=
Thank You
Sue. |
| Melynda |
Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 10:47:47 AM
I think this Jasmine was owned by Mrs R. T. Dawson as she has got an offspring called Magic Jazz by Scindian Magic recorded on p. 21 PBAR VII out of Jasmine PBAR V.
Magic Jazz was a grey male born 1965 so I would think Jasmine was probably born around late 1940 to 1950's and not 1930 as that would have made her quite old. |
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