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| gabriele ault |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 07:11:28 AM
Have a look at this - very interesting.
http://www.thedogplace.org/VACCINES/Vaccinosis-Death_Staff-1112.asp |
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| gem@oakmeister |
Posted - 10 Dec 2011 : 6:08:33 PM
Same here quarabian |
| Quarabian |
Posted - 10 Dec 2011 : 3:06:26 PM
I hope it doesn't come across that I am anti vaccination. Just cautious. |
| Pasch |
Posted - 10 Dec 2011 : 1:22:06 PM
For most diseases you will have boosters,but for flu it is incorrect,as the flu virus is supposed to change so you are vaccinating against a new strain with a new vaccine,at least that is what happen in humans.So if you don't vaccinate your horse may come in touch with a new strain and then the first vaccination is useless.That said,tetanus is mostly fatal,flu much less,so it's a calculated risk.Not all vaccines are up to date with the latest flu strain,though,so unless you vaccinate with the up to date one,you could as well avoid it altogether.
Ennik,yes,but it is a matter of the lesser evil.I'd rather put a small quantity of poison in my horse than have him riddled with worms with all the consequences.You can do worms counts and use it when they need it.All medicines (even herbal,natural ones)are poison in a way,but wouldn't you give antibiotics to cure or prevent an infection,treatment for Cushing for a horse with this problem,and so on? |
| Ennik |
Posted - 10 Dec 2011 : 09:45:55 AM
Quarabian ..... you know, I really didn't think of that. Its a bad, bad world. I do remember an old horsewoman warning me that when you poison the worms you also poison the horse! Lot of sense in that. Got to be some middle-ground somewhere. What I do suspect is that these spot-on flea deterents which are absorbed into the system might have some side-affects too e.g.,never had grass alergy before spot-on. |
| Quarabian |
Posted - 10 Dec 2011 : 09:23:38 AM
Unfortunately there is another factor to consider. As reported in a previous post some vets are pushing certain wormers for dogs even when they have side effects. This is because the suppliers are making it worth their while. The same must happen with vaccinations. The vets might not necessarily advice you in an unbiased way. |
| Ennik |
Posted - 10 Dec 2011 : 08:28:30 AM
gem@oakmeisster ..... Yes, I think that makes good sense. Perhas I'll ask the vet about the difference between animal and human boosters and see what he comes up with! Take a lot to change my opinion though ......   |
| gem@oakmeister |
Posted - 10 Dec 2011 : 07:56:25 AM
Being accurately informed can be somewhat difficult. I still struggle with the fact that boosters for anything in humans are tiny compared to animals, and let's face it there are some nasty diseases threatening us. We don't have annual boosters for mumps measles tb etc. I do as many of the others have said for dogs and cats and give initial vacs but no boosters. I try not to be cynical about it but I can't get past the fact that animal vacs are profitable and human ones are costly. The world we live in is totally motivated by making money and I really really wish I could get an answer I trust regarding animal v human boosters, but I can't. If it was just a case of profit for vets in unnecessary jabs for animals then I could live with my waste of money just to be on the safe side. But it isn't, these boosters are, in many cases harmful. To be accurately informed would be great. Until then I have to trust my own judgement. |
| Zan |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 11:35:58 PM
Have any of you ever seen a dog die of distemper, or parvo, or leptospirosis? I have, and they are all horrible deaths. I am not in favour of blanket vaccinating for everything every year--no good vet does that nowadays because it is known that e.g. distemper lasts at least three years, so only partial vaccinations are done, but I am in favour of vaccinating and boosting as long as there is no additional risk to that particular dog, such as a dog with an auto immune disease.
It is because the majority of the dog population are nowadays vaccinated that these diseases are rarer, and seldom seen, which means that unvaccinated dogs have a firewall of vaccinated dogs, so there is less disease out there for them to come in contact with so vaccinating them "appears" to be unnecessary. If less and less people vaccinate, these diseases will once again become common place,and, believe me, you don't want to see that happening.
I had a GSD who had auto immune disease who was not vaccinated from the age of 6 and lived to be 14, but all my dogs since get primary vaccinations, and partial vaccinations thereafter, as recommended by my trusted vet--always for lepto, because it is potentially everywhere that there is water, and dogs love water.
I had a cat die of vaccination site fibrosarcoma, so I NEVER vaccinate cats with the triple vaccine--it's the leukaemia element of it which is particularly dangerous, but I keep them up to date with cat flu and enteritis because I have done a lot of work in feral colonies where the cat flu is heart breaking and fatal.If you've seen it you protect your cats from it.
I ALWAYS vaccinate my horses for tetanus bi-annually as recommended, but don't do flu.
Be informed, make decisions based on individuals, but please don't stop vaccinating. |
| Quarabian |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 4:42:40 PM
It is amazing how many people jhave responded on this topic with experience of vaccination problems. I am sure that many dogs are okay, but isn't about time vets stopped making people feel guilty for not vaccinating? |
| akitamom |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 4:10:33 PM
I also only vaccinate as pups and then i dont have them done,my 6yr old bitch has autoimmune so would not dare with her anyway. |
| Pashon2001 |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 3:15:47 PM
My dogs were all vaccinated as puppies and not since.............touch wood, never had a problem. |
| kathleen |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 3:15:46 PM
I nearly lost Tilly after her 2nd puppy vac. She was a bit down after the 1st a bit itchy said to vet who went ahead and jabbed and gave me some flea treatment for her within 3 hours she looked like she had myxomatosis poor puppy they tried to say it was a autoimmune condition and that we should put her down as she would allways be ill. It took months and she is still left with the scars on her face but she is a happy little dog and is fit and well but has never been vaccinated since |
| NatH |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 2:03:53 PM
My friend, who breeds Persian cats vaccinated a little of 6 kittens at 8-9 weeks with the triple cat vaccine.
She lost 5 out of the 6 kittens, who were fit & healthy prior to the vaccine & the other was on life support for a while but did pull through. The Vet was adamant it was nothing to do with the jabs!
Needless to say she doesn't vaccinate her kitten now |
| Misshana |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 1:44:27 PM
I can only comment on my experience. I had a German Shepherd bitch who was 18 months old when we got her. She'd had her inital puppy jabs. I gave her booster and within a couple of weeks she started losing hair on her face, which initially I put down to stress in a new home. However, it became more like sores and her gums became very red and also her feet. She had a biopsy and the result was Auto Immune Disease, the findings said ' probably caused by a reaction to something she'd been given ' The only thing was her vacc. She obviously had enough antibodies in her system and giving more just triggered the body into protecting itself. Even my Vet couldn't argue with the findings. So she was never vacinated again and lived till 9 but always suffered with Auto
Immune problems. |
| gem@oakmeister |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 12:30:01 PM
I have asked several vets why my horses need tet jab yearly but i only need it every 10 years and after a certain number (think its 5)i am covered for rest of my life. They all say every 2 years is ok for horses but no more as they are more exposed to the risk than we are. Call me thick but surely you are either protected or your not regardless of your chances of meeting the tetanus virus. If i came into contact with tetanus 8 years after my last jab i'm protected, why then is my horse not. my theory is my booster is free my horses booster is not. you can imagine the response from vet when i said that. |
| marionpack |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 11:21:00 AM
My sister had a retreiver that was vaccinated every year, and each time after the vaccinations the dog would fit, vet adament that nothing to do with vaccine, when the dog was 8 and insurance refused to pay any more, my sister stopped the vaccinations and the dog never fitted again,
I only ever have the puppy vaccine done after all we don't innoculate children every year so why our pets! |
| Quarabian |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 09:56:22 AM
There was information availlable about over use of vaccines about 15 years ago. Since then I have only ever vaccinated puppies but never kept up the boosters. my horses are only vaccinated for tetanus.
I had a very good shiba inu who I boostered at two years old just before going to crufts. She came down with a sickness and needed an exploratory operation to check out her bowel. The vet found the typical patches of a parvo infected dog on her bowel. Her bowel was flushed out and she survived for another 12 years without ever vaccinating again. I dare not. She was a very special girl who I nearly lost through routine vaccination. My lady vet at the time was as upset as me that we nearly lost her. I am forever grateful to her skill in getting Peppa through her illness.
We also suffered many cysts at vaccination sites on our elkhounds.
I am not advising everyone to stop vaccinations, but proceed with caution, ask questions and do research. |
| gabriele ault |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 09:12:55 AM
I think (but that is just my opinion), the best thing is to do a yearly bloodtest to check whether the immunity is up and up to now I do not know of a single case where it was not but in case it is not up THEN you can give a booster |
| Ennik |
Posted - 09 Dec 2011 : 07:48:42 AM
Thanks for that Gabi ..... like being caught between a rock and a hard place .....!
I once had a Welsh Sec A who got tetanus and recovered. You could hear her heart pounding from outside the stable. Her recovery was put down to having vac as a foal although no boosters since. Her body had remembered. Seemed to say something!
Since then my animals have always and had initial injections but nothing further unless a specific risk.
Do you/don't you. There's always a risk in everything you do but, right or wrong, it's always got to be a calculated risk I think, and up to the individual but its good to know the facts as far as possible and this article definitely helps. |
