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Crispin
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Posted - 25 Jul 2014 :  1:53:05 PM  Show Profile  Send Crispin an AOL message Bookmark this topic Add Crispin to your friends list Send Crispin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi - I am trying to trace any bloodline that came from the Grey Stallion Hunters Song who served at Valletta House in Fritham, New Forset. His owner was Mrs S Coombs (known as Bobbi).

Crispin (Hunters Song) sired Valletta Madrigal and Valletta Hunters Moon. Some of his colts went into racing, Pasha and Sasha went into racing - but I dont know their registered names.

What is the easiest way to find out which horses may have Crispin in their blood line? I would desperatley love to have a great grandson - he was the best horse ever! Can anyone help?

Kate

Edited by - Crispin on 26 Jul 2014 10:04:26 AM
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Callisto
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Posted - 25 Jul 2014 :  5:35:53 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Callisto to your friends list Send Callisto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I assume that this is the Hunters Song that you are asking about?

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hunters+song4

There are only three of his progeny listed there - all out of the same mare, but for a more complete list (of his registered, full Arab progeny you would need to look at some AHS stud books - I have them up to 1991, and could have a look for you later in the weekend/next week - I am competing tomorrow so just having a quick relax with the PC and a cup of tea before rushing around again.

The 3 listed on allbreedpedigree:-

CYRENAICA3 C 1985 HUNTERS SONG4 HIGH ELMS MAHRAHNA ARABIAN
SUKKAR3 C 1984 HUNTERS SONG4 HIGH ELMS MAHRAHNA ARABIAN
VALLETTA HUNTERS MOON H HUNTERS SONG4 HIGH ELMS MAHIRANA2 ARABIAN Edit


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gardenia
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Posted - 25 Jul 2014 :  7:24:36 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gardenia to your friends list Send gardenia a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Datasource lists another four registered offspring in addition to Callisto's three: Sasha's Serenade, Samurai Warrior, Valletta Madirigal (sic) and Valletta Summer Solstice. All were male and none are shown as having any registered purebred progeny. Hunters Song was from the same female line, back to The Lady Roxane, as my mare (RIP a few years ago, age 32).
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Crispin
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Posted - 25 Jul 2014 :  11:31:19 PM  Show Profile  Send Crispin an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add Crispin to your friends list Send Crispin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you both, this is very helpful (though frustrating)!! Calisto, yes this is him thank you. How do you get access to AHS studbooks? If i cant find a direct descendant maybe i could get close to his line if i research it better.
Gardenia, you found my little racehorse Sasha! Thank you too, he was a cheeky thing as a young colt! Though they all were! Crispin did only throw colts whilst i knew him, but i think there was one filly. This was with Cactus Blossom, who Bobbi bought as an ex arabian racehorse (boy, she could fly).
I'd love to know more if you can help, but i understand we are all busy. I will find a link to this most wonderful line of beautiful and intelligent horses. Thank you both so much x

Kate
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gardenia
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Posted - 26 Jul 2014 :  4:44:30 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gardenia to your friends list Send gardenia a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have the printed AHS studbooks up to around Vol 15, I don't know if they're available online/CD or other digital format from the AHS, I don't think so but I'm no longer in the UK - Callisto can perhaps help there.

The AHS stud books are available online from the Arabian Horse Association in the USA as are many of the world's stud books (that's what I was referring to by "Datasource"). It is paid access and you can subscribe for one day, one month or one year. You could probably do a lot in a day!

I checked Hunters Song again and both his parents have other offspring that reproduced. He may also have had other foals that are not registered and/or purebred, they would not be on Datasource which only has purebreds for the AHS. His last registered foal was in 1997 (Valletta Summer Solstice) according to that reference.

There is no Cactus Blossom listed as a registered purebred (AHS).

Edited to add I just tried searching Datasource with just "Blossom" as a partial name and came up with Kactus Blossom. This must be the one because she's the dam of Valletta Foxglove (grey mare 1992 by Sahmir) and the above mentioned Valletta Summer Solstice (grey colt, 1997).




Edited by - gardenia on 26 Jul 2014 4:58:05 PM
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Crispin
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Posted - 27 Jul 2014 :  01:42:02 AM  Show Profile  Send Crispin an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add Crispin to your friends list Send Crispin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you for your help. I considered registering with Datasource, but assumed it was only USA when i saw the dollar signs. I will register and see what I can find, though already i see every crabbet is related a little at least!! I need to find the best match, but I will look for a direct link, that would be the icing on the cake and a cherry on the top. I'll also try to get access to the stud books. Thank you so much for your help, i know where to start. xx

Kate
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plonker
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Posted - 06 Oct 2016 :  10:06:12 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add plonker to your friends list Send plonker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
trying to contact crispin re hunters song
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plonker
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Posted - 06 Oct 2016 :  10:09:14 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add plonker to your friends list Send plonker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
hunters song would have been the leading sire if still alive at the crabbet show at belvoir castle
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Crispin
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Posted - 24 Aug 2017 :  09:58:12 AM  Show Profile  Send Crispin an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add Crispin to your friends list Send Crispin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh My Goodness - just read this after so long. My apologies for the delay - If I'm honest I'm not entirely sure what that means - but Im pretty certain its a very good thing! Recently Im missing him and Magic more - it could be time for me to finally live my dream and breed as close as I can get to him!
Thank you very much - off to google lead sire!! xxx

Kate
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alan
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Posted - 01 Sep 2017 :  9:45:39 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alan to your friends list Send alan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What lines that are in his pedigree are you most interested in Kate?



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