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Milotkha
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 Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 7:50:15 PM
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There was a post on here a while ago regarding toothpaste and sarcoids. I cant remember the name of the lady who posted that topic, but can someone please let her know about my topic, and that her advice has helped.
Mila has 4 sarcoids running along her belly line, so the topic regarding the toothpaste was interesting to me.
Well, I could only get hold of Colgate with 1450 ppm fluoride as the other toothpaste is prescription only. I wasnt holding out much hope, but I thought it was worth a shot.
I have only been using it for less than one week.... and one of them fell off today....!!! I will be getting root cream from my vet, to kill the internal root, but the head has fallen off one of them, one of them is now alot small, and the other two are looking like they are following the same route..!!
The vet came out to do her flu/tet jab and was very open minded about the toothpaste, but he did recommend the root cream that I could apply myself if the toothpaste did or did not work.
I would like to thank the lady that shared her story with us..! Its working for me.
Kim
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sasha
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Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 8:24:58 PM
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Hi, I am trying toothpaste too, being putting it on a round sarcoid, the size of a malteser in my mares udder area., A piee sloughed off today, but still plenty more left, so will keep applying daily. I am using a 1450 fluoride too, as I can't find anything stronger. |
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morag
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Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 9:19:14 PM
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 Thanks for putting this back up - I read the original link and thought I'd try toothpaste on the sarcoids on my mare. Bought it two weeks ago and hadn't got round to applying it - mostly because I'm always forgetting to take it to the yard. I remembered yesterday !! Ness put some on her today !! I really hope that we get as much success as both of you seem to be having. Thanks for the encouragement. |
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complete novice
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Silver
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Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 11:19:37 PM
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| I have tried root cream on a sarcoid given to me by my vet and had really bad results i would never use it again,but i will give toothpaste a go and see what happens. |
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Milotkha
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Posted - 01 Sep 2011 : 08:27:16 AM
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I lather the toothpaste on. It sticks to the coat once it has dried but with a dollop of baby oil, it soon comes away.
Thanks Silver.
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littlearabians
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suyents
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Posted - 01 Sep 2011 : 09:20:44 AM
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i did some internet research and found out that "Liverpool Cream" is 5 Fluorourino- something or the other!! (Can't remember it just now) BUT the interesting thing was the high Fluoride content....
Makes sense then if toothpaste works sometimes?? |
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marionpack
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Posted - 01 Sep 2011 : 11:19:01 AM
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Mr friend used the Blood root cream on her gelding who has quite
a few by his sheath about 10 months ago, the results are awful, his sarcoids are now open,bleeding and have to be sprayed every day with silver spray to try and seal them, whereas before the cream they were like marbles under the skin and not a problem, if you use the root cream please be very careful, when it was appplied to my friends horse who is very calm he became quite aggresive |
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sasha
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Sep 2011 : 11:49:02 AM
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Does anyone know if there is a toothpaste with higher fluoride content that is available to buy. 1450 is the highest I can find.
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Milotkha
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Posted - 01 Sep 2011 : 1:43:10 PM
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Thanks Jane, that is the one that has dropped off 
Sasha, I do believe 1450 is the highest, we have tried looking in all supermarkets and that was the highest we could find.
Thank you Marion Pack, perhaps I will continue with the toothpaste until I see no more changes, only thing is, there is a litte welsh A in the field with her who can reach underneath Milas belly, and I think the smell of the mint is a little too tempting, Mila may need to be stabled until the toothpaste dries, then turned out...!
I would try this again if they come back, its so much cheaper and at the minute, seems to be working.
We shall see how the next week pans out.
Fingers crossed this works for all your horses too.
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Quarabian
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Posted - 01 Sep 2011 : 8:44:19 PM
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Well, I have been watching this with interest. One of my youngsters has a lump which looks like a wart on her neck. Vet not sure but wants to treat it as a sarcoid. I have been quoted £300 for the liverpool cream and application by a vet plus the visits. Phew! sounds a bit steep for a 'not sure' diagnosis especially as the treatment will leave a scar. I haven't decided what to do yet, but thanks to this topic I won't be using the blood root thing. The warty lump has gone smaller of it's own accord. I don't think the toothpaste will do any harm so I bought some today. Watch this space.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. |
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Silver
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Posted - 01 Sep 2011 : 10:23:18 PM
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| Marionpack what you have described is just the same result we had when trying bloodroot cream the sarcoid got bigger and would not heal,we ended up banding it and that worked really well. |
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rhoni
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Posted - 02 Sep 2011 : 09:08:03 AM
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| I'd be interested to know which bloodroot paste you were using? I know there's a UK produced one available now which I've read has less active ingredient than the US one Xxterra. I used Xxterra on a bought-in mare with the worst sarcoids I've ever seen and the results were nothing short of miraculous - the vets were astonished. I've since used the remnants of the jar, again with success, on a small sarcoid on a youngster. It really does seem though that nothing is a certainty with these horrible growths. Interestingly, the Xxterra didn't make the mare anything like as sore and angry as the supposedly benign Thuja cream I tried which made her ballistic and was useless! |
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Quarabian
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Posted - 02 Sep 2011 : 09:50:23 AM
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intersesting rhoni. perhaps more skilled diagnosis is what we all need to treat the different types. i think doing needle biopsies can aggrivate them though. in case you havent guessed poppy is on my knee so no capitals |
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marionpack
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Posted - 02 Sep 2011 : 10:02:54 AM
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Rhoni I will have a look tonight when up the yard, it was supplied by the vet so would have thought it to be the English one, but who knows
Silver this horse only had 1 sarcoid and that was banded and dropped off, but unfortunately in this case the root must have been too deep and he now has about 15 ranging from marble size to golf ball size, they are horrid things and all seem to be different and react differently to treatment
Fingures crossed to all those that are having them treated one way or another that the treatment is successfull |
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poppyandbea
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Posted - 02 Sep 2011 : 1:22:39 PM
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my mare has them sadle shes had liverpool cream and its failed and liverpool now think hers which was small is now maligment and its pretty big now im gutted as spent a year batting with hepatitis and shes made a full recovery and now this
before treatment
after liverpool cream first time
after second course of liverpool cream
and as the failed this is befoe the start of bcg which we are trying now but i really wish i had left well alone although vets wanted to treat so we did
before bcg started as the failers have made it aggressive
after 2nd bcg injection and my vet had to come out with more pain relief for her as she was so sore
and my lovely mare
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jillandlomond
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Posted - 02 Sep 2011 : 9:38:03 PM
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| Coalgate Sensitive Whitening is 1500ppm fluoride I've just started applying it to a sarcoid today. Looking forward to watching what happens! |
    
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littlearabians
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 09:43:36 AM
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| a quick look at ebay and i found Colgate Duraphat 5000ppm Fluoride... not that i need it, but the original post said the same Colgate Duraphat was avaible with 2800ppm Fluoride, so did a little quick search. |
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littlearabians
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 09:50:08 AM
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oh and regarding the cream from the vets... Thuja is VERY VERY poisinous to horses so perhaps thats why the mare treated with this cream changed her attitude compleatly????
I have seen horrid cases of sarcoids treated with Xxterra.... and the ones Ive seen treated with this start bleeding, this makes it easy for flies to spred the sarcoids to other horses, or other areas on the horse... My vet toold me of one that was being treated with Xxterra and had a bleeding sarcoid... he had to sedate the horse for a toothrasp, and a flie sat on the sarcoid, then vent to sit where he pulled the needle out after injecting, and the horse grew a nasty sarcoid there too.
I have never (knock on wood) never had sarcoid problems on any of my own... but had to get gain some knowlage about the option of the spreading from one horse to another as Mila was turned out with mine for some time. |
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hazelcat74
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 4:47:46 PM
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| Our 4 yr old has a small lump just in front of the teats which I think may be a sarcoid. Not had vet to it as it hasn't changed since we bought her in April, does attract the flies but isn't sore/bleeding etc, just a dry crusty little lump. Wondering whether to try the tothpaste, but have also seen advice saying that if they are not causing a problem they are often best left alone as once you interfere with them they can start to cause problems, what does anyone think? Try toothpaste or leave well alone? Wouldnt think toothpaste could do much harm but would rather not find out! |
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sasha
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 5:18:50 PM
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Further to my post regarding trying toothpaste on a malteser sized sarcoid, I am pleased to say Oral- B has got rid of the thing!!!
My mare has had this sarcoid in front of her udder area for 18 months, the vet suggested lazering it as the stem was too thick to put a band on. I tried alternative methods, virex cream, sarcoid creams, herbal tablets but nothing got rid of it. It is a week since I first put toothpaste on it, after 2 days an outer shell of it started falling off. Yesterday I noticed the stem was much thinner and starting to look as though it was breaking away, so I slathered loads more toothpaste around the stem and today there is nothng there!! Now .. will it come back, i don't know but i will keep putting the toothpaste on for a little longer.
Thankyou to the person who put this thhread up in the first place, I am astonished at the time that it has taken for the sarcoid to drop off. |
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jillandlomond
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 6:17:20 PM
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| Wow, that's an encouraging result Sasha!! |
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Quarabian
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 7:50:16 PM
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This is getting better. Though I have to say that the little lump on my mare's face is getting flatter and smaller all the time and I haven't used anything yet! I do believe that there is an immunity issue. Boost the horses' immunity and they might fight the sarcoid froom inside. How to boost immunity I am notr sure, but certainly reduce any stress.
Many thanks to popyandbea for posting photos. I think shared knowledge is the way forward on thios subject and I also echo sashas thanks for putting this topic up. |
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Callisto
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 8:26:34 PM
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| Lily has been treated for 5 sarcoids in the last 18 months, using the Liverpool cream as directed by Dr Knottenbelt, in between photos, his diagnosis and the cream arriving, two of the sarcoids disappeared of their own accord. One particularly recalcitrant one between her forelegs has just begun its 4th cycle of treatment, the others have disappeared and no new ones have appeared. We have 5 other horses, Lily has had sarcoids for nearly two years, she has her own grooming kit and is fully fly rugged up 24/7, and none of the others have developed sarcoids. |
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Milotkha
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 8:30:19 PM
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Fantastic news!!!
Now we ALL need to tell our vets.!! I have told mine and he was very suprised, it might not become a recognised treatment for a very long time BUT, it just needs more and more people to talk about the positive results to make it just that..!!!
Yay this is great.
Mila's biggest one is looking so much smaller now too..!! I hope it continues to work..!!
Thank you Jane x |
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