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GHALEEM
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 16 Aug 2007 : 2:28:42 PM
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Hi Egbert,
Please, please could you tell me something about my colt Mistrals Blue Diamond's bloodlines His sire is Qamar El Dine (Maysoun (DE)/ Raqqisa(US)) and his dam is Silver Sun Light (Shabash/Diamond Light)
I love the way you describe the horses characters and personalities,
Thanks Michelle |
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Treasure
Silver Member
England
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Posted - 16 Aug 2007 : 3:50:33 PM
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Hi Egbert, we too met at Al Waha - and I'm blessed with 2 Camamargue/El Shaklan line daughters  (3/4 sisters) you may remember - or not with all the people talking to you!
You often refer to Bright Shadow as a stallion of great note and you mentioned at the seminar. Can you tell us exactly what he had in his make up that made him so special. I think we know (well I do!) what is so special about Camargue and El Shaklan, and having seen a video of Sanadik El Shaklan, he is pretty special too. But what of Bright Shadow?
Also how do we actually determine the strain of our horses - by following the dam line right back?
Hope you enjoyed seeing the lovely Djammal at Hugh and Michelle's! You missed seeing my 2 year old filly, Jumainah, by 3 days - she's a real sweetheart, being Aazari x Jammillah (Djammal x Samaseel), Hugh and Michelle delivered her to me on the Saturday before your visit. |
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Deboniks
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 16 Aug 2007 : 3:50:51 PM
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Hi Michelle You did it at lastThere are some awesome horses in your colts pedigree! A lot of Crabbet/Old English and some awesome Egyptians!! I will be interested in this one to, as I don't recognise them all.You have Bright Shadow too |
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Qui Gon Jinn
Platinum Member
Scotland
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 09:28:20 AM
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Hi again Egbert,
Many thanks for your thoughts and feelings on my new lad and for taking the time to look at his breeding. He is already a gelding, so there will be no more from his line, I'm afraid. I understand that his father died back in 2004, which is a pity as I'd love to have seen more of him. Anyway, here are a couple of shots of Hal. I am hoping to do all Riding Club events with him. He has been previously successful in a Pony Club home.
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Egbert
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 07:55:46 AM
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Hi folks,
Hope to be back on tonight...having probs with computer.... |
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Egbert
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 10:04:30 AM
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Hi Michelle!
Thank you for the kind words! Well, you've quite a boy there don't you?! Exotic, super sweet, smooooooooth, surprisingly calm despite his daddy's Egyptian blood. Now interestingly, with his Ansata sire line to Nazeer via the Ansata Halim Shah's beautiful gray son, Maysoun, the tradition of exceptionally exotic beauty should be locked in. What is of particular interest is that Maysoun's dam traces to the Blunt Bahreini bred, Bint El Bahrein. Interestingly Lady Anne sold the mare after 5 years but retained the daughter who produced a granddaughter for her in the last year of Lady Anne's life. Thus, Diamond's sire's dam line is to the not so traditional line (most trace to Dahma) of Bint el Bahrein, a Dahman Shawan who was clearly an important dam line to Lady Anne! Traditionally the Dahman's bring balance, pretty, shorter dishier heads, large luminous eyes, good bone. They are not known for exciting movement but when they have it they usually transmit it.
Blue Diamond's dam is simply awesome-straight Crabbet with three crosses to Bright Shadow...Super sweet, kind, level headed goes with that...There are also multiples of Hamdani Simri blood via Silver Fire and through the likes of Silver Sheen, Silver Grey, Silver Gilt, Silver Shadow along with the frosting of the tail female of Rodania via the Naziri daughter Shamnar. This boy should be a BREEDING STALLION! Wow! When do we get to see pictures?
Carolyn,
Oh it would have been nice to see your girl. Visiting Hugh and Michele was a treat! Absolutely super and they have such lovely horses there!
Bright Shadow in your lines is important because it is the love these lines emit, in addition there is a common sense that Bright Shadow brings...an honesty that is a dominant through the pedigrees he graces.
Yes, following the dam line all the way to the original import mare determines tail female/strain. (foal, mother, grandmother, great grandmother and so on back)
Debbie-Blue Diamond is interesting isn't he?
Only thing you have to watch in the dam line Rodania's is the intelligence factor coupled with the possibility that without proper knowledge of Arabian horse thought processes....they can outwit and outthink a lot of humans!
Qui gon, your boy is just lovely! |
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Tahir
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 11:00:08 AM
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Egbert, did you just love Djammal - he is something else?!! Also his offspring are very much of a "type" - just lovely!!!
Hugh and Michelle are such lovely people too. Hugh showed one of my youngsters at Malvern many years ago, and he was very concerned that she was unhappy and uncomfortable in her show bridle. We later discovered that she absolutely hates anything on her nose, but it took the sensitivity of Hugh to point this out to me (and I thought I was "in-tune" with this girl!!!!).
Hope you enjoyed your stay in England, and would love to know your impression of the Arabian Horse in England, and if we are progressing in any way?
Carla, xx. |
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Egbert
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USA
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 12:03:11 PM
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Hi Carla!
Well, am very prejudiced about British breds...none better tho' over Kuhailan. But in terms of individual breeding programs there are none better anywhere. Think it is because Britain is a horse breeding country...think that probably next to dogs there are no creatures more important than horses to Brits and through war, pestilence, national emergencies and famine-NOTHING has deterred the Brits from breeding brilliant horses of any breed, never mind Arabians. In terms of progressing...the Brits are looking out there to Russia, Australia, So. Africa and the Americas for ever better horses. Basically it is a matter of re-importing for the most part, but nevertheless it is being done and such stellar horses are coming along...many with Nazeer, *Padron, Shaklan, Carmargue lines are blending with stunning results...Heck just look at what they are doing at Hugh and Michelles! Another visit was to Geof and Barbara Plaisters. Wow! Those horses are wonderful. You look in his pastures and just marvel at what is out there. Awesome horses that with just the slightest of show condition and they could be contenders against any leading country's best. It is really exciting times in the UK and you are all blessed to be there full time! I am green with envy!
There are only a handful of gifted trainers in this world and Hugh is right up there at the very top of the list(Michelle trained him very well methinks)!
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Roseanne
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 1:16:44 PM
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Hi Egbert,
Because of the advertising policy on the forum I wonder if it's possible to mail you privately with a question?
If you don't want to put your mail address on here, could you please email me at roseanne_edwards@journalist.com
Thank you very much
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Tahir
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 5:09:08 PM
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Have to agree Egbert, Michelle does a stunning job, albeit mostly in the background, she deserves the same credit as Hugh does for "quietly" breeding, producing and showing stunning and happy horses with care, compassion and foresight.
So glad that you think our British horses deserve so much credit, I believe that we have so many wonderful bloodlines to "play" with.
I have never had the pleasure of visiting the Plaister's horses, but have heard many positive words about them, and recognise many of their beautiful horses.
Carla, xx. |
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GHALEEM
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United Kingdom
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Egbert
Gold Member
USA
1051 Posts |
Posted - 25 Aug 2007 : 11:00:10 AM
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Michelle,
Am afraid I can't play video....All I saw were still shots of hooves with one or two shots of a man holding a horse on a cliff overlooking the sea, I think?
Roseanne, you can email me from here...just click on my name which will take you to the profile's page and email me from there!
Carla,
I've been coming over every year since the early '80's and always pay attention to what you folks are up to. Tho' there is some following of fads, for the most part breeders are still concerned with legs, conformation, type. The only thing is that someone really needs to begin emphasizing the Seglawi lines. There are so many Kuhailans-a broad palette with which to work but still a bit much. Also breeders such as Plaister, Lindsay, Guiness families and other old timers must be closely scrutinized for the quality... |
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GHALEEM
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Tahir
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Aug 2007 : 4:39:28 PM
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Egbert, I am so glad you mentioned "legs" because I am proud to say that my little mare got the best marks for legs in her class at the UK International show yesterday, and I am so "chuffed" (her marks for Type, Head and Neck, Body and Topline were pretty good too!!! She just decided that an indoor ring really wasn't very exciting and chose not to do her wonderful trot!!! Hey-ho, that's horses for you!!! But I must add that the winner of her class was just totally stunning and a very deserving Champion, she was outstanding.
I am certainly going to keep my eyes open for a suitable Seglawi partner for my girl - any suggestions??
Thank you so much in advance.
Carla, xx. |
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max
Silver Member
England
376 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2007 : 4:56:41 PM
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Hi Egbert
my husband and i bred a lovly filly this year by our own stallion Gladiattor (maysoun x ishara) and our mare Kazanina (zircon nazeer x sunlea karanina) we would be very intrested to hear you views on her stallion and mare can be found on allbreeds,thanks in advance.
Sam and Simon |
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WKD Arabians
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Marie-Molly
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United Kingdom
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Roseanne
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 10:56:14 AM
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Hi Egbert,
I just wondered whether you received the email through the AL link? No rush at all for a reply, only wondering if the links now work.
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Egbert
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 1:40:34 PM
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Hi Roseanne, Have answered you privately. Great Seglawi colt you have there and hope you can post picts asap!
Marie Molly!
That is quite a stallion! Wow! Did you find his legs were good? Did he move beautifully. In the photos, the shot looks as if he should be awesome when animated. For an older horse he looks to have excellent conformation...little weak in the back but if he has been steadily ridden, wouldn't worry. He is a Dahman Shawan.
Your girl is a Kuhailan Rodania via All Breeds...with sire line to Mahruss. There are two things that travel with Mahruss...Extreme intelligence AND fabulous motion. Think you would have something very very special with the cross-quite robust, slightly exotic quality. What fun!
Sam,
Initially looks good and that you have some beautiful blood there but the pedigrees on all breeds are incomplete. You seem to have an Abbayan Sherrak. Lovely blood. Double check and see if you can fill in some of the blanks for the most part on the dam line.
Hi Carla!
Pictures! Please???Any Carmargue Seglawi will do well with your girl, FS Bengali and a host of horses available in the UK...
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Egbert
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 1:41:25 PM
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Love Michelle's boy above and can't wait for him to grow up! What fun! |
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Marie-Molly
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 2:03:36 PM
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Hi Egbert!
He has so much presence and he looked so kind - I usually fall for Russian or Crabbet but he bowled me over. I'll post pics once I download them from the camera. Unfortunately I couldn't see him move as nobody was around to take him out of his box for us. His pic on allbreed really does not do him justice.
He has a fabolous front and hind - the legs are very good too. The only thing I couldn't assess was his back as he was standing in his box on a straw bed. He screamed quality.
Pics in a couple of days!
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max
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England
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 2:40:55 PM
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Hi Egbert
the pedigree is now complete on the sire dam line sorry about that |
Sam Clyma
WKD Arabians
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Vygoda
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United Arab Emirates
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 5:19:51 PM
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Roseanne,
Will your Siglavy boy be standing at stud? Any details or photos to share?
Thanks
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nikki
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Wales
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 11:04:23 AM
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| Hiya Roseanne, have you bought a stunning polish stallion? |
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max
Silver Member
England
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 12:24:18 PM
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Hi Egbert
Ive just looked on allbreeds and the details i put in have yet to come up!!! so the parts that are missing start with the mare ROSAMUNDA by COUNT ROLAND out of PERSIAN PRINCESS hope that helps
thanks sam |
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WKD Arabians
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simonebull
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England
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 3:37:33 PM
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Hi, I'm not very well educated when it comes to Arabian bloodlines and types I'm afraid so bear with me.
I bought my first Arabian as a foal two years ago with the intent of breeding an arab of good conformation and height to my andalusian stallion............however now i find theres more to arabs and their history than meets the eye
how do i find out if my filly is egyptian, crabbet, a mix? and what percentage?
her name is EAS Farida bint Sireff, out of sire Omar el sireff and dam crystal carousel (crystal magician daughter)
thanks for your help and expertise! |
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