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Shirley Charlton
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 Posted - 05 Nov 2003 : 9:35:03 PM
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When Dollar came back from France in June this year, he had a lot of Pink skin, in more or less circles on his face.
Most of this is gone now, except a little above one eye and some under the other eye. I noticed that the edges of the circles went dark grey first, then the rest of it went white. The dark grey is blending now, into the white.
I'd like to know if the pink will return? Anyone had this happen?
Shirley
 
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pat ww
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Nov 2003 : 11:31:02 PM
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Some forms of pigment loss are due to deficiency in copper, I believe, but I've heard that if you want to correct a potential deficiency to give a multi vit or you unbalance everything else.
I wouldn't have thought that an endurance horse could be deficient, as they are topped up with all the essentials to do the job.
A couple of my greys got some pink face patches, which did improve with change of grazing, so could have been deficiency for them. have you seen Dib-Dob (debbie) Pixie mare? She has white spots over her body, another of my greys went the same way, no explanation as neither parent has.
Interesting to see what experiences others have had. |
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SueW
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Nov 2003 : 08:23:11 AM
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One of my Anglo Arabs had a similar problem. The pink patches around the eyes increased in size and on one side there was a large pink triangle which extended about 4 inches below the eye. He also had pink areas around the mouth. This horse is BAY which made matters worse as the pink areas seem much more prominent than on a grey. We fed him a vast array of supplements and changed his grazing. The pink areas diminished and were replaced by small patches of white hair which have now virtually disappeared. The new grazing had been prepared for cattle and never grazed by horses, which may or may not be of significance.
We did notice that the pink patches started to come back when he was brought in for the winter, so we make sure that he gets some grass all year round plus the supplements in the winter.
I have also heard that nettles are supposed to be good for pigment loss.
Sue
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Arabmare
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ginger horse
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Posted - 06 Nov 2003 : 08:34:08 AM
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I have a roan that was always black around the muzzle and eyes. Then when she got to about 3 it started to brake up with pink.
She was 7 this year and every summer the pink mottles get bigger. Then over the winter the black takes over again i have always put it down to the sun ? or change of coat although it is the skin that changers and not really the hair (even her vulva is mottled now)
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Varaina
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Nov 2003 : 12:40:53 PM
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No it isn't true that only Arabs get pigment loss, I have a grey highland pony stallion with the same problem!!!!!!!
Fiona Grant-Chivers |
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DibDob
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Posted - 06 Nov 2003 : 1:01:35 PM
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Hi folks
My Pixie is even more spotted now, I am calling her Bambi!
I have been researching the Sabino gene as this causes white markings, but I am not sure if the pigment loss is connected?
You can see pictures of Pixie in the photo album on the Arabian Club forums aswell as the ones Mike posted for me on here. I have put up some recent ones showing her spots.
Debbie (Dibdob)
P.s. I am only called Dibdob because there seem to be so many Debbies in the Arab world! |
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tiny
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Posted - 06 Nov 2003 : 1:42:51 PM
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| This summer we have experienced pigment loss in our 3 year old and having always rectified the problem using a mutli vit (codlivin or copper plx) off we went and bought some, but this time it didn't work and one day when bathing him i noticed that he had gone from having dark skin to pink esspecially on the insides of his back legs and his neck aswell as eyes and muzzle, i asked a local feed rep about this and she put it down to the sun (he did go out everyday and it had been sunny) she suggested that i either put him out in the evening or early hours or if out all day that he wear a light weight rug and a fly mask. we took this advice and along with the extra supplements in his feed in a matter of 3 months all is back to black and not a pink blotch in sight. i think she called it photosomething?? |
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Kaz
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Posted - 06 Nov 2003 : 9:28:35 PM
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Was it photosensitization?
Our Sherry has pink circles round her eyes - get worse in summer - last year they got better - we put it down to moving the gees onto our own land since we've really worked hard improving it by adding calcified seaweed and reseeding. When she came back from stud her eyes were really pink - they'd had a very dry summer even though we thought we had and grass was lacking somewaht towards the end - you wouldn't have known it cos she came back as fat as a pig - no extra feeds given! We use a fly hood on her to try and stop the sunburn. I'm sure it is a combination of factors - mineral deficiency combined with too much sun definitely doesn't help.
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suyents
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Posted - 06 Nov 2003 : 10:28:27 PM
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Hi Shirley,
In the past when this has occurred i have treated it as a copper deficiency with total success...i used Codlavine basic supplement because they have the highest percentage of copper in their formulation when compared to other dietary supplements...friends i have advised have also treated this problem in the same way and had the black pigment return within a few weeks.
I only made the connection after remembering James Herriot mention the problem in association with cows, and that it was due to a copper deficiency in their diet....
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Jingo
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Posted - 07 Nov 2003 : 12:14:47 PM
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When we bought Diamond Star (all those years ago) he arrived with one big white circle around his eye - we tried lots of different supplements etc. The only one that worked was called Supramin 600 and this had a high dose of copper in it. It took about six months to clear - the dose was then reduced to a level where the white would not return. Supramin was a cattle supplement made by Codlovine. Don't know whether it is still available. Needless to say none of his children have inherited the problem.
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Vera
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Posted - 07 Nov 2003 : 1:15:38 PM
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I found this:-
(look at info by smilies)
MINERAL DEFICIENCY??
The levels of copper found in many pastures, hay and common feedstuffs is often too low to meet daily requirements.
Copperplex has been formulated to help prevent such imbalances. Lack of copper in the diet can result in impaired muscle function, anaemia, coat depigmentation and developmental orthopaedic disease.
Copperplex is a unique combination of highly available organic and inorganic copper sources, allowing for highly efficient absorption and utilisation.
Copper deficiency can result in:
-Developmental orthopaedic disease (DOD)
-Impaired muscle function, which may restrict freedom of movement
-A compromised immune system
-Reduced synthesis of haemoglobin, which may result in anaemia
 -Progressive coat depigmentation and decolouration (pale circular patches, white rings around the eyes.)
Copperplex is a unique combination of organic copper proteinates and inorganic copper sulphate providing a combination of highly available copper sources. Recent research has shown that a mixture of organic and inorganic compounds results in the greatest efficiency of copper absorbtion and correction of any deficiency.
Copperplex contains Zinc that helps promote enzyme activation and skin, hair, blood and bone development. By using a combination of organic and inorganic zinc copperplex helps ensure the vital zinc : copper ratio is maintained.
Copperplex also contains vitamin E (an anti-oxidant promoting reproductive efficiency and maintenance of muscular integrity,) and selenium (at very low levels using bio available seleno-yeast). Selenium is an anti-oxidant that works alongside vitamin E in maintaining muscle cell membrane integrity
Uses:
· For horses in training to maintain freedom of movement
· For broodmares and youngstock to maintain healthy growth and development
· For all horses and ponies in copper deficient areas where any of the indications may arise such as coat depigmentation
· Arabian horses that are particularly prone to coat depigmentation due to lack of sufficient copper.
Analysis:
Per 20g /Serving
Copper (from proteinates and sulphate) 100mg
Zinc (from proteinates and sulphate) 100mg
Vitamin E (from alpha-tocopherol) 500iu
Selenium (from seleno-yeast) 0.1mg
Additional Ingredients:
Dextrose
Administration:
20g a day to be mixed in feed, or as directed by your veterinary surgeon.
This product does not contain any substances that contravene current Jockey Club or F.E.I rules. (January 2002)
It is a product called Copperplex, made by Vital Equine - can be purchased here www.hhss.biz
Vera and Dennis
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Shirley Charlton
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Nov 2003 : 8:31:26 PM
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Thanks everyone!
The whole of the East coast is lacking in Copper in grazing, or so I'm led to believe by vets in this area. We have always used Copper Trition on any horse doing medium to hard work.
Dollar has had no Copper Trition but has had a Multi Vit, Pink Powder by N.A.F. I stopped useing the CT as it didn't agree with the Section A's. So really its been the Multi Vit that has cleared him of the Pigment loss or maybe the high sunflower oil we use for slow release energy in Endurance horses. Maybe a combination of both! What ever it was, its worked.
Only time will tell. He's on holiday at the moment and will not be back in work, till the turn of the year. His feed has been reduced but I'm still giving him his Pink Powder.
Shirley.
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razgold
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Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 9:43:41 PM
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I was told that if you put baby oil onto greys faces for the show ring this causes burning from the sun. That leads to pigmentation of the skin. It can even burn under the tail. I always use Supreme Products to oil my horses. It has a sun screen in it.
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sub
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 2:48:26 PM
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Feeding seaweed usually clears up the pink. I had a grey gelding who went very pink around his eyes as a three year old, after using a double dosing of seaweed for a month his skin had returned to its natural black. I had to keep feeding the seaweed at the reccomended levels to stop it re-occuring, but he never suffered from the pigmentation loss again. |
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